(Archive) Advertising District / Ports of Discovery
- 16-April 04
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Silenced Offline
The detail is the part that makes the screen interesting. There is such a thing as too much detail though. And please get rid of the bushes, that's the thing I dislike in this screen. Also, when you add a color in RCT2 to the brown scheme, you must add a color that is bright, unlike RCT's gold color, which just makes the brown stick. Adding blue or a pink would do fine here, or maybe the dark orange.lovely. imo, better than Foozy's. I love its height, which makes it so much more mesmerizing. I do think you should take away those green bushes on the top of those buildings, coz imo they don't fit. And, sorry to say this.. and i seem to be saying this quite often in topics nowadays, but don't listen to the above, and keep the detail. It's what's making it all so interesting. Make sure to connect the path to under the building.
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deanosrs Offline
But then Kevin's park would not have these structures in in the first place, if Foozy's accusation is correct.But deano if he did not release the screens, everyone would think Foozy copied him which is not the case.
And don't add any of those colours ^, it would look really bizarre. -
Meretrix Offline
Fooz,
Don't retire because you're being imitated. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Though I personally used to get a little chuckle out of seeing someone "be inspired" by DTA. I am actually flattered by being copied, as it means that I have created something so original, as to inspire more than a few people to try and build like me.
Take it as a compliment Fooz. We all know that it's YOUR style. Kind of like when people try to build "rocks" in RCT1 like Nate or Fatha. Everyone knows who inspired them to do so, and their work is judged by Fatha and Nate standards.
Sorry to babble. Don't retire. Finish your damn park. That's an order. -
x-sector Offline
Micool your be happy with my PT entry then.Why doesn't anyone add color to their parks anymore??
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Six Frags Offline
I have also mixed feelings about this...
It's obvious Kevin copied Foozy's style, but as meretrix said, Foozy could adapt it as flattery/compliment..
I however don't, and also experienced copying can be very annoying (zop ), and it shows uncreativity of the parkmaker... I would like to see Kevin exploring his own style/way of object selection/stacking and not picking up things from others, cos I think he can manage to have his own little inventions
The screen however looks good, I hope to see coasters/themepark aspects though...
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John Offline
I can see this going the way I went:
an explosion of popularity...
an explosion of projects...
an explosion of advertisements...
and absolutely nothing accomplished.
Just from your past behaviors and showing incomplete things, I think that may end up happening.
I hope you prove me wrong, but I think not advertising makes things a hell of a lot easier.
Or, at the very least, show something when it is 100 percent complete and ready for show.
Otherwise you'll get in the habit of showing incomplete things and focus on the comments more than the park.
Releasing stuff is where it counts. -
RCTNW Offline
I also disagree that Kevin is the best RCT2'er not named Toon or Mala.
Kevin, there is no doubt that you have skills, but I would like to see something actually released from you so I can see for myself "In Game". Starting parks is easy, It's putting the final touches on a park that really makes it stand out and I have yet to see this from you. I would also not list you as one of my top 10 parkmakers for this same reason, you have not made a complete park yet.
So with that being said, FINISH a park so I can put you on my list!
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JKay Offline
I have to agree with John and NW here...I mean I don't remember seeing anything from Kevin until this and I dont think they're anything more than "nice looking". They do remind me of foozy's stuff, but theres nothing wrong with that....I think the creativity level of Toon & Mala is far beyond this...but thats strictly my opinion
btw...John...so thats why you don't advertise..I've always wondered that.... -
iris Offline
Well....on my comment...let's just say from what we've all seen, the way he builds is probably my favorite ...excluding Mala or Toon.
Of course he won't ever reach that high of an accolade until he releases something, but I was just speaking in general terms of talent and potential.
But yeah dude, you need to finish something.
Asap. -
Kevin Offline
Thanks for the replies everyone...nice general comments, and some interesting ones also.
PoD stands for Ports of Discovery. The parks consist of 8 areas, dealing with original, classic themes and fantasy style themes. This is only the entrance, and it has been awhile since I've actually gotten a park past the entrance phase of construction. But this park is going along a lot smoother than my other projects. Everything is all planned out and pictured in my head, meaning things should be easier. So for those of you waiting for some work to be released from me, keep an eye out through the summer. There are a couple smaller things I am working on, but only one at a time. Depending on how I use my spare time, I can definately get a few things released. But keep in mind that I don't plan on using it all playing a game.
Panic, What you stated, or what gymkid stated in another topic, reallly makes a lot of sense. Just by reading that I can see a lot of things wrong with the screen and some is already fixed. thanks.
For those of you saying there should be more color, there will be...in other areas of the park. I feel that a pallete of browns and dull colors work best for this area. But in other updates (if I want to keep showing screens) you will see some variety of colors, but nothing to crazy.
Iris, hehe thanks. It is really encouraging to hear that. and from the other people who like it. but there are other people that I think have talent better than me, and are more productive... but again thank you very much.
Fooz, I'm happy to see you reply, and I completlely understand. I did take some of your ideas and used them for my buildings. They do look structurally the same, but thats kind of what I'm going for. Your style has really influenced me, and i really wanted to learn from it, and for me, the only way to do that is to actually recreate bits of what you made and sort of build off of that. That building shown in the screen was to help me learn how to balance the detail, and give the building a nice and unique structure. I really don't like make buildings made completely of 2x2 or 3x3 squares, with a few windows in it. This style you made really appeals to me. every building is unique and different. Soon, I will be able to execute that style with my own ideas. All i'm saying is that I need a little practice. I'm sorry about all of this.
Retiring is kind of taking it too far though. I understand if your a little torn about what I did, but retiring?
I just don't know what to say about that.
John, yeah I've been through that also. and I'm gonna try to avoid it to. Just letting people know I'm actually working on something.
Now, It is a question to me if I should keep on advertising this, perhaps I should keep the rest in secrecy, I want fooz to come back... -
JBruckner Offline
i can see you getting nowhere.
the rct community these days is so discouraging (i know i'm not helping).
and to tell you the truth i don't really like your work. it's bland, muttled, and not very well composed.
my suggestion: don't advertise. i don't really see any drive behind your advertising.
back in the day, advertising used to be good. parks used to come with stories, and well thought-out completed screens. now people are posting with half completed screens, skimmy lines of nonsensical text, and no idea of what they are doing or what they want.
my advice, is to keep on the lowdown. finish something, or atleast complete the park 75% then post a picture of two for us, with a bit of a background. maybe a logo also.
you have no idea how much this will help your park!
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Foozycoaster Offline
Yea, to be honest what pissed me off more than this whole thing was WME's reply. I thought to myself "Parts of this I invented, how the hell can this guy justify this as great while hating mine.
I dont care so much That you took these forms, and I'm much more releived now that you've said that this in fact, is the case. What you're doing is in the direction I try to influence parkmaking, and that I really respect.
Its just me thinking of all the time I took planning those things, and then Being accused of piling on detail thoughtlessly, and then one of the accusors seeing the same thing and thinking "why couldnt foozy be this creative", its somewhat discouraging.
I'm not retiring, but I'd like to let it be known that WME bases his opinions on jack shit. -
Janus Offline
I think the path you are using is too detailed to match the detailed architecture, thus making it look more cluttered than necessary, and actually detract from the atmosphere. I really like it otherwise. -
Corkscrewed Offline
Kevin, why must you make me look terrible?
Your work amazes me. I wish you were on my H2H team. Amazing architecture. I am completely in love with it. -
Evil WME Offline
really? you really do hate me for not liking your park especially. Well you know what. There is a big difference between this park, and yours. To me, it makes all the difference. And iris said excluding Toon and Mala, not Foozy. Please, please, get over your fucking self. You are not as brilliant as you think yourself to be, trust me. If there are some "structural similarities" i couldn't care less, really. I see stuff here. The buildings look twice the fucking size of yours. It's also not as drenched in details such as foliage. And you also don't understand that i don't make your park out to be incredibly horribly bad. It might be good, but it's good in a way, and it's definitely not good in my way. This one, is good in my way. And i never said 'why couldn't foozy be this creative,' and i think Kevin got more than enough comments on his originality problem to satisfy your whiny ass.Yea, to be honest what pissed me off more than this whole thing was WME's reply. I thought to myself "Parts of this I invented, how the hell can this guy justify this as great while hating mine.
I dont care so much That you took these forms, and I'm much more releived now that you've said that this in fact, is the case. What you're doing is in the direction I try to influence parkmaking, and that I really respect.
Its just me thinking of all the time I took planning those things, and then Being accused of piling on detail thoughtlessly, and then one of the accusors seeing the same thing and thinking "why couldnt foozy be this creative", its somewhat discouraging.
I'm not retiring, but I'd like to let it be known that WME bases his opinions on jack shit.
There's another difference I'd like to talk to you about. The part where i don't like your park, to me, doesn't seem all together important. It's not like i have anything against you, although i definitely think you think so. I wouldn't care much if your opinion on my park would be; i don't like it, it's so bare or not my style or whatever. It really doesn't fucking matter. Then you burst out full frontal attacks that my opinions are based on jack shit. That does fucking matter. Now I really need you to evade as much as people told Kevin to evade now. I couldn't give a shit if you were to leave and retire. If it was over someone slightly copying you I'd actually laugh my ass off at you. Some people get flattered when they're copied a bit. It certainly flatters me when i see an aspect of my parkmaking/one of my parks in someone else's. If you don't stop acting the way you are now, i'd really think NE'd be better off without you. -
Foozycoaster Offline
You posted something along the lines of "How much can you put in one square? Absolutely disgusting."
That is pretty muh a blatant insult along the lines of "what you do is mindless and unplanned, putting detail in for the sake of a bigger filesize".
All I've asked for is for these bandwagons of opinion to stop. You, posix, and lucifer, its just unfounded opinion in my mind, taking away from where the quality really lies in the community. All I try to do is show some damn screens, you guys complain the hell out of everything, sparking the ill-willed to do the same. It happens in tons of threads every day, even in toon's IOA, or the beginning of this thread, and its disgraceful. NE is known for being arrogant, but in my mind we do it for a reason, to acheive superior RCT art, and in my mind you and everyone like you with opinions based on nothing (yea, the buildings here are higher, less shrubbery, thats it) mean less than nothing to NE, contributing only spite and collapse to what has developed umong the community.
You think you're more of NE than me? Please. -
Kevin Offline
This update is just to tell you how the park is coming along, which is going along very smoothly. In an estimate, This park has been in the works for about three months. The hardest part (for me anyways) has already been done, which was actually planning the park layout and actually breaking the habit of making a building and quitting and starting something else. Completion is a solid 20%. Almost all the coasters have been put in and theming for them will start very soon.
I'll post a screen in a few hours, I gotta go somewhere right now and don't have the time take a screenshot and upload it.
Maybe tomorrow depending on when I get back. -
Kevin Offline
Ports of Discovery
Edinburgh Village:
Edinburgh Village is known as the main entrance area of the park. The style of architecture won't be colorful, but will have a very welcoming atmosphere as guests will see elegant shops and restuarants everywhere they look.
Here is an updated screen on the entrance area. Sorry about the building on the bottom, while it was finished, It looked very blocky and overall horrible, so I am currently redoing it.
I rebuilt the building in the upper area of the screen also. Next time I'll show a new area in the works, abd it might even have a coaster in it. -
Ride6 Offline
I don't know why you are rebuilding everything. It was and still is beautiful. Your whole archetecture style is solid. The color combo and the level of detail are wonderful and yet they don't overwhelm, even with the grid paths. It's a difficult balance to strike (I know, I've managed it... In a very different way though).
It's beautiful and thank you for keeping us up to date. I hope you do finish this one.
ride6
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