H2H2 / Icons vs. Mean Green #1

I'm going to write something more in depth about the two parks - hopefully to spark more healthy debate!

I think Atomkraftwerk is actually more like a theme park than Miami 2040. First off it has distinct themed areas and buildings, and has two themed coasters - one in chambers, the other the suspended. I has a supplementary water ride, a few of flat rides, and there are typical themepark-type immersion objects like the elevator, entrance area, sitting areas and if there were a theme park that decided to make a mechanical, chemical style area (which I can conceive of) this is what it might look like. There's heavy theming on the freefall, just like the sort of theming you might get around a big flatride at a theme park (atmosphere for the people riding it...rather than just being there). There's lots of water flowing around for people to enjoy, and all the buildings serve a purpose. It is, to all extents and purposes, a theme park like you'd get in real life, except for the lava and perhaps the landscape/ladders.

Miami 2040 is more like a real life place, rather than a theme park. It's like a mini-recreation of a city, which is incredibly cool (I absolutely love this park) but to me doesn't scream 'real-life theme park'. There are a few buildings that serve no purpose (well, they would if named ), there is only one main attraction, and the only example of real heavy theming and story telling is the highway (which incidentally is also mind-boggling).

That's why I think Atomkraftwerk is more of a theme park.


On the subject of actual quality, I can't compare. The two parks are astronomically different (what's above is just scratching the surface) so i'm not surprised the vote is split (perhaps in favour of the more accessible park). If I weren't on the Icons team i'd have a very hard time choosing which to go for, because both are incredible maps.


Iris - keep this open after the result is announced cos I think it'd be great to hear from the people who made Miami 2040 what they think of Atomkraftwerk, and vica versa!


H2H2 is just getting interesting

Right, I don't know how my "comment" managed to slightly offend you, or whatever it did to you Ed. I didn't mean to.
You're pretty much right. I probably miss the point of every fantasy park. I haven't yet seen a fantasy park where you could tell of the concept. Except Blitz-sama's work maybe. Still it looked horrible so that doesn't help.
But whatever, that's all just my personal opinion.

I almost voted for Atomkraftwerk before even looking at the other one. That is the best suspended coaster, ever. The layout is unbeleivable, then you add in the cool looking track hack,the waterfall dive (!!!), and then the path jumoing and landscape interaction.

But, I almost feel cheated not voting for this. I am voting for miami. The style is so me. I couldnt beleive that one beachfront building. Miami dolphin stadium? Wow. The rides werent as good, but, bah, I have to vote for this one. It is the style I wish I had.

In......fucking.....credible. Is this not the most creative and milestone things in RCT so far? Go Icons. Damn.

Either Coaster Ed did this...or its someone trying VERY hard to BE Coaster Ed. There are some verrrrrrry cool things in this park, its hard to explain it in just one post. Nulceophile...very nice layout, probably the best suspended I've ever seen. great interaction with landscaping and well executed helixes and what not.. Carnal Chamber..I couldn't figure out where this thing started! It took me forever to find it, lol. Overall a very quaint liquid coaster, looks friggin awesome with the red water. Everything else was either too short or uninteresting. OH, except the Electron Guns...sweet-ass hackin there.

But whats really milestone about this park is the hacks. All the little hacks that make it look real creative and well..real...even though it IS made up. The hack I enjoyed most is the elevator. COOOL, lmao. Its like Lumbini Point, you know when something is beyond recognition in creative genius. And this, my friend, is overflowing with it.

Miami 2040 was ok. I enjoyed the Miami Crusin'...but thats about it. The archy was ok, the atmosphere was ok...but NOTHING compared to Akfdshalkg;djsakl;gjas;.

Way to go, Icons. And a great round.

Yawn, not another thorpedo RCTgasm.

Atomkraftmacaroniandcheesethingummy had some cool things, but not cool enough. The architecture was Cubeville boring 2x2 crap.
Miama 2040 has a nice atmosphere and stuff. Again, not really impressive, but solid enough to clinch my vote. I'd probably say more about this park if I decided to open RCT, but whatever.

Well man, if you focus on the rides then you wont get the good things out of Miami 2040. Its meant to be a veiw into the future, meaning "EMPHASIS on theming, not roller coasters." Look past the stupid rides and look at the design of the park itself.

Arrgh. The power keeps going out right when I'm in the middle of posting. Talk about annoying.

Anyway, I'm not angry with you Posix. Not at all. I understand that you have a different opinion and I know you have good reasons for feeling the way that you do. But I do disagree with you so I wanted to tell you why. No big deal. Miami 2040 was a very nice park just with a different intention. It deserves accolades as well. This is definately the best round of H2H so far. Both are in RCT1 so there's no bias there. And both are very very well done. It just comes down to personal taste.

Atomkraftwerk.

That park had so many creativity things, its just wonderful.

Yawn, not another thorpedo RCTgasm.

Haha, how true.



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Miami 2040 was great. The architecture won the park for me alone, it was just so awesome. The highway was a nice touch, too. Had Atomkraftwerk had better architecture, it might have made it for me, since the suspended in the park was amazing. Much better rides than Miami 2040, but the innovativeness, the architecture, the atmosphere, pretty much everything other than the actual park part of it won Miami 2040.

That was kinda incoherent, but that's okay.

Aérôglòbe

People need to stop complaining about "2x2" architecture imo.
There's so much to see in Atomkraftwerk, but instead you nitpick at the "2x2" architecture. Doesnt make sense.

Miami is the shit too, I would have been incredibly confident getting either park in for H2H2, and I think this is definitely going to be one of the closest rounds we ever have.

Both are fantasy, but one is more chaotic fantasy, and the other is more controlled. One is more focused on rides and "in your face" ideas, while the other is quaint, and more emphasized on theming and atmosphere.
It's all a taste of preference, so this should be very interesting.

Miami 2040.

Go Mean Green. I loved this a lot more than Atom because of the atmosphere it evoked. Atom just bored me for some reason.

Good job.

Arrgh. The power keeps going out right when I'm in the middle of posting. Talk about annoying.

LOL! You too, eh? Stupid lightning! (thunder was cool this afternoon)

Atom just bored me for some reason.

It BORED YOU!??!

Jesus, Freak, take a look in the mirror. You build like this. Itty bitty hacks, a crazy unforseen theme, so much to see, weird lanscaping.

You build like this.

Yawn, not another thorpedo RCTgasm.

Atomkraftmacaroniandcheesethingummy had some cool things, but not cool enough. The architecture was Cubeville boring 2x2 crap.
Miama 2040 has a nice atmosphere and stuff. Again, not really impressive, but solid enough to clinch my vote. I'd probably say more about this park if I decided to open RCT, but whatever.

It was my impression that both parks were as blocky as each other...and both used as much ride scenery (in slightly different ways). Can't please everyone I guess.

This is closer than I thought it would be, and i'm glad of that.

Freak - I don't understand your definition of 'exciting'.

Great round and great parks.

Both parks had features that really stood out for me. Kraftwerk, had wonderful creativity and more interesting hacks, but just lacked something for me. I'm not sure what exactly, but it just didn't capture my imagination as much as I would have hoped from the overview. Miami on the other hand had a beautiful aesthetic quality that really grabbed me. My biggest complaint about Miami is the red got really monotonous. I'm kind of a colour freak tho and love contrasting and clashing looks as opposed to the standard monochromatic themed areas that seem so popular. I would have loved to see one or two more colours added in.

These were both great parks with great upside, but I went with the one that was visually more pleasing to me, so my vote went Miami. Who knows, on a different day in a different mood I may very likely have voted the other way. These parks were that close. Not my favourite H2H2 parks, but definitely the closest voting round for me so far.

Wow, both parks were really good.

Atomkraftwerk by The Icons was very good and looks like something posix, ozone and coaster Ed could have done if all put together. Not much originallity, but some great use of flowers and trees and there some great details. The only things that really bothered me about this park were the waterfalls and the overuse and poor-placement of ladders. Really, a great park, definetly one of the best H2h parks of all time. It could use a better name, a name that we can spell and remember, so we can compliment it in the future.

Miami 2040 was very good aswell. Great use of coaster peices for the architecure. The highways are insane! Some of the greatest things I have ever seen in RCT. The things I didn't like were the empty feeling the park portrays in some areas. Despite it's illness, Miami Dolphin Stadium is too small. It's like SONY to the power of two. A great job.

Thorp, you've never seen Alpha to my knowledge, and if you have, it was really early stages. My work has changed quite a bit from my older stuff (sorta...).

Mantis - I just wasn't absorbed into the theme as much as 2040 pulled me in. 2040 had lots of little things I noticed and kept me looking at it much longer than the stuff in Atom. It's just my opinion, no need to get on my back because of it (which you seem to be doing to me in about every post I make nowadays...).

-Freak

It's pretty damn hard to decide between these two parks. I really like both. I voted for Atomkraftwerk, but it was a hard decision. The makers used river rapids rides, which did it for me personally. lol, thats the first time I've seen it used. Great job on both.

Both parks were definately wonderful and I had fun with this round. First of all both parks used LL which was thrilling for me because sometimes I don't open the rct2 parks which makes it difficult at times to vote. Then at other times I don't open either because I already know which park I want to vote for. But not with this round. What a close race this is.

Atomkraftwerk (Get the name right, honestly it's like the least complicated foriegn name ever.)
I opened the park expecting to see a brilliant lava scheme because that was what I forecasted to myself when I saw the screen. However to be honest that wasn't my first reaction at all. I think possibly the worst part of the composition of this park - much worse than the "2x2," which I didn't even notice - was the use of egyptian poles for the "poles." () What with all the white "bone-itechture," as well as the use of the roman pillar-walls, I thought white would have been much more appropriate. I know there aren't many choices but I'm afraid the makers made the worst choice possible. Also the colors on the wooden coaster theming, which appeared to be the default colors, didn't fit at all either. I didn't get that. And what the hell's with "-itechture"? Cute, but annoying. Other than that I thought it was brilliant in all ways. "Keep Fission"? - Superb name-itecture. The electron gun thing was great, I was staring at that for a while. And hey, those hacked tops to architecture using rapids? That's totally a rip of my rip of OZONE, man. There were a few white walls that could have used a window or two but I can get over that. Overall I give it an 8.5 out of ten.

Miami 2040 was the most brilliant park I've seen that had so few original ideas. Man talk about a clone. I kept going, where, where have I seen that before? I'm pretty sure I came up with Pyro and (Fatha's) entrance to their collabo with iris (wtf is that acronym again?). I don't really know, I guess that's it but I don't really care too much. It just seems to me that if you're going to spend your time imitating other people who excel at a skill and never advance from that it's kind of useless. But then I suppose it's okay because that is how you get truly good at something, and it's like honing your skills in a certain skill area. Anyway, about the park: The two original ideas I did find where the subway and Dolphin Stadium, which weren't exactly hard to miss. The park itself was a marvel to look at but it was incredibly sloppy and I'd say it was probably rushed, unless the maker was careless. Hardly any theming is named, which I hate because I don't know what stuff is. Then some things that were named I didn't know what were, because they had stupid names like "circle shit." The plant monster was pretty cool though. I just couldn't believe how unoriginal the park was though. Overall the park gets, hmm, an 8.3 or so.

And so the icons get my vote, although I would have loved to vote for the Mean Green because in my opinion the icons are a much deeper team, not so much as to talent as much as who will actually show up to make a high quality park.

Also, I know my comments were mostly negative but keep in mind that is mostly just stuff I would change about the parks. I did love much of both parks, and this was one of my favorite rounds this year.

Great job both teams!

Atomkraftwerk by The Icons was very good and looks like something posix, ozone and coaster Ed could have done if all put together.

Errr....