General Chat / Do we need to swear so much?

if you're bothering to tell someone that they are not able to communicate properly, chances are your irritation falls on deaf ears...

After page 7, I thought I would join this rather interesting conversation, but like the first few pages, it has been ruined. And for what? Honestly, I'm not going to know what you're writing about until I read it, and 5 minutes of my time was just wasted reading smilie faces and unintellegable sentences. It isn't like a conversation in real life where I can choose not to listen to someone, or tell them to shutup. You don't have to post, you know. It isn't required. If you don't have anything to say that isn't wasting your time to write, it's wasting my time to read. Sometimes it discourages me from reading entire topics because I have to read posts by people who think they have to be funny to be meaningful.

As for swearing, let me tell you a story...

There was once a little boy. He was ten years old. He had never been to a regular school, had only a handful of friends, and knew virtually nothing about the social scheme. He didn't know what it meant to fit in. When his sister decided to attend eighth grade at a middle school his mother approved of, he wanted to go too. So he skipped 5th grade.
When he got to the school, he noticed that people hung out in "groups." He realized that he wasn't going to make any friends unless he acted as they did.
They swore sometimes. He thought this was something that would make him "cool." Soon he was using 3 cuss words per sentence.
But something odd happened. Though the "cool kids" let him hang out with them, they didn't really accept him as a friend. They called him "Tag" for "Tag-a-long." They enjoyed picking on him.
Why? He had done everything he thought would make him "cool." Why wasn't he "cool?" He went through the rest of the year, but never really became "normal."
He did seventh grade twice. When he went to High School, his class again began to form "groups." But this time, he didn't care. He just acted like himself. If people got mad that he wasn't Christian, or that he spent hours on his computer at home playing Rollercoaster Tycoon, or that he was good at sports and they weren't. It didn't matter. Though it took a few years, he now has good friends who hang out with him because he is who he is.

That went longer than I thought it would. The moral is, I still say "shit" occasionally, when I mean it. I have conversations involving the words "penis" and "pussy." Because they mean something. But I realize that I don't have to say "I fucking have to take a shit, bitch." That's just dumb. For some people, it's how they talk. They can still have meaningful conversations with their vocabularies. But swearing, or doing anything else to try to fit in, just to look cool, is worthless.

And I know that's why you all do it.

So why can't you just be yourself?

I am actually QOTSA. Think about it. We have the same first names. And, similar posting styles.

We are the same person: Larry McJoewad.

SFK, I'm done arguing with you on the board. You thought that people would 'rebel' with you just like they did at that old thread at Danimation, but nobody did. They all jumped on the other side of the fence, and called you out for what you are. Now that you're the one that everyone is against, you just go back to the only thing you know how to do, and try to provoke another argument for me. Sorry but it's too late. It's over, and I've moved on, just like you should. I know that this is your little "moment of fame" where you get to really show off how clever and individual you are, but nobody cares anymore.
Sorry, but here at New Element, for the most part people appreciate the work I put into it. And I've become good friends with a majority of the site's members, because that is what a good webmaster does, whether you agree with me or not. You can call me all the names you want to think of, because that's all you've got left in your little arsenal there. Or, you can do what you always do, and just post meaningless replies filled with sarcastic responses and smilies, trying to avoid the actual situation. Now I've tried to bury the hatchet with you on numerous occasions, regardless of what people suggested I do. When you stole my administrator password for this site, and gave it to people, I let you back. I'm positive no other webmaster would do that, especially to someone who they never got along with. I tried to call a truce after our flame war at the Danimation topic, and we ended up talking for like an hour and a half online setting some things straight. I figured we were cool then. Then tonight, you IM me once again and we discuss the whole thing, and how we were both wrong in certain aspects, yet you go once again trying to start something up on the boards. I'm sorry, but I'm done with the whole forgiveness trip. I've been there way too many times with you, and for reasons I'm not even sure of. You flame people out of boredom and enjoyment alone, and it's just not worth my time anymore. I have more important things to do. Thanks anyways.

Woo-hoo I'm the king of the mild-mannered humourless pseudointellectual pricks. Or at least the whipping boy. Not that I mind. I actually get on my own nerves half of the time. But I have to keep up my facade of self-importance and my fancy grammer trickery and my frivolous, often strained, use of words people don't understand because that's my role on this message board. There's a yin and a yang. I proudly do my part to make NE a boring, uptight, overly analytical community. Oh and here's the kicker, I do it with nary a swear word in sight. Imagine that.

Little bit of Radiohead to set the "mood"--
but i'd be alright. i'm just....up-tight...up-tight...

as we speak millions of my personal minions are combing over this post with a fine toothed comb looking for spelling errors or missed commas to fix. one more monument to my sickening habit of self-aggrandizement is firmly in place. all in a day's work.

You thought that people would 'rebel' with you just like they did at that old thread at Danimation, but nobody did.

No.
No one was on my side.

They all jumped on the other side of the fence, and called you out for what you are. Now that you're the one that everyone is against, you just go back to the only thing you know how to do, and try to provoke another argument for me. Sorry but it's too late. It's over, and I've moved on, just like you should. I know that this is your little "moment of fame" where you get to really show off how clever and individual you are, but nobody cares anymore.

You seem to care.
You seemed to care when you were flaming me.
Called me out?
I did nothing wrong. Stop blaming me for things. You know... They know me... Just like you... Right. No.

Sorry, but here at New Element, for the most part people appreciate the work I put into it. And I've become good friends with a majority of the site's members, because that is what a good webmaster does, whether you agree with me or not.

I don't disagree.
You pay the bill. You should get respect.
Or something.

You can call me all the names you want to think of, because that's all you've got left in your little arsenal there. Or, you can do what you always do, and just post meaningless replies filled with sarcastic responses and smilies, trying to avoid the actual situation.

Is this meaningless?
I'm not trying to get attention, but I find it hard to believe you call my posts meaningless, while I'm not the one creating masterful rhymes, and brilliant lyrics, and such. This, and my previous post have been meaningful. I really don't see how you aren't getting that. I was only showing people how childish they were by posting those smilies, and stuff(Just kidding. Get over it). I wasn't trying to avoid the situation. I really just wanted to see what they had to say, and why they were saying it. Oh well.

Now I've tried to bury the hatchet with you on numerous occasions, regardless of what people suggested I do. When you stole my administrator password for this site, and gave it to people, I let you back. I'm positive no other webmaster would do that, especially to someone who they never got along with. I tried to call a truce after our flame war at the Danimation topic, and we ended up talking for like an hour and a half online setting some things straight. I figured we were cool then. Then tonight, you IM me once again and we discuss the whole thing, and how we were both wrong in certain aspects, yet you go once again trying to start something up on the boards..

I do still appreciate that. A lot, actually. I was really only trying to point out the vulnerability. It wasn't stealing, though(I guessed. It was "applied knowledge". If you know the story...)

You flame people out of boredom and enjoyment alone, and it's just not worth my time anymore.

Didn't I mention something else?
I am angered to the point. I do it because... I'm pissed(not at the members... Just.. Getting it out). It's not boredom. I will be less aggressive in the coming months. Okay? ...
I am usually only kidding, anyways.

I have more important things to do. Thanks anyways.

You must have taken plenty of time to post this, anyways. You've proven that you don't always have "more important things to do". Anyways. I'm going to appear more modest, too.
Modest = HIGH intelligence. Of course.
Oh well. Sorry, than.

Intresting. A topic about the overuse of swearing and cussing moves smoothly onto a discussion about impersonation of other members.

Heres my input on the situation.

At one point, for about a week, I tried to be like Stupid Git. I posted 3 word replies, with perfect grammer. e.g. "No. Fuck off." I used the same short paragraph method:
Typing like this.
In an attempt to get my point across.
Shithead.

Then it struck me. I wasn't being myself, I was merely coping a fellow member on the internet. It seemed pathetic. I was attempting to be liked by someone I didn't know. After that realization I "turned" back into my little happy self, posting very little, but when I did, it was a very important post/topic. For example, this topic here which has sparked a nice number of replies.

Continue with your bickering again children.

Intresting. A topic about the overuse of swearing and cussing moves smoothly onto a discussion about impersonation of other members.

I will respond to this by quoting you.

Maybe its just me, but its slightly boring now. StupidGit doing it was quite funny, but now everyone seems to copying his style of posting. "shut the fuck up fucktard". Now at least when he does its slightly entertaining, but there are a lot of "pretenders" out there who are about as funny as, well, I won't say what.

If you don't want your topics to take detours, don't give people the chance to do it. I am aware that you cannot control other peoples' directions they take with topics, but, when you open up the door for something like this to happen, and then later complain about the state of your thread, it's idiotic.

After that realization I "turned" back into my little happy self, posting very little, but when I did, it was a very important post/topic. For example, this topic here which has sparked a nice number of replies.

Right... I not quite sure of your standpoint still. You complain that your topic has taken a completely different direction than what was intended, and then you turn around and flatter your topic (and yourself) for the amount of posts it's gotten. Time to burn my Che t-shirt. I had no idea that a communist could be such a tail-chaser.

And, now that Nic's made one of the most informative and worthy topics in the history of NE, whose patronized the members in this discussion and demeaned their input into this thread, all the while praising it, what does he have to say about this:

Continue with your bickering again children.

We'll get right on it, Red.

IntEresting. A topic about the overuse of swearing and cussing moves smoothly onto a discussion about impersonation of other members.

honestly, and firstly, i haven't read every damned post in this topic. I'm going to give you my opinion on what i have read above tho, taking for granted that that's what happened. The added E is mine btw.

The discussion about using swear words, quite frankly, isn't what's bothering most people. i think most people LIKE the ability to swear. (probly been said before ) .. what NE probly has too much of, sometimes, is the "dissing" other people. now this isn't the same as swearing, but since swearing isn't much of a problem in most people's opinions, and the dissing is, and it's associatable, the topic ran off. now offcoarse this is very different, coz u can swear, for example....

Fuck man. That's a nice park. I really like how you intruiged the red with the yellow. (notice, Ed, that i added an argument for your sake)

and you can also diss without swearing...

I really think you are stupid because that does not look good at all.

now there's NEs problem (not that it is that big) i must admit tho, this problem is usually paired with cursing, and i notice that i couldn't even make up a half-good sentence without cursing. However, the constant putting other people down part about NE is for a lot of people the reason that they leave. I don't know if we should put an effort into making this a more "nOOb friendly" place, or we should go on as it is. if anyone wants to point it out, i'll do it for them, as i don't think i don't put people down, coz i probly do. Tho i must say some people around here have just been a pain in the ass.

Okay, I'm going to post a somewhat worthwhile reply here; because I'm pretty sure that I'm one of those whoring off Git and Kirii and Ty. Shit, I'm doing it inadvertently, because that's what I do. I basically am Git or Kirii or Ty, just with more self-esteem and less intelligence. That's what makes the difference, and why I'm a useless member to this site. I do just swear and post shitty replies, because I can't think of anything better to say. But I post shitloads, and that's why you people know who I am (as far as my online persona goes). I went three fucking years at Danimation as such aliases as Tyler24 and Da Prankstah, and no motherfuckers have any idea who the fuck I am/was. When I rejoined the RCT community upon the advent of RCT2, I adopted this QOTSA-2002 persona (in spite of the fact that I find QOTSA to be a marginal band now, to be perfectly honest--shit, that was stupid of me to register that name), and now I'm fucking huge. Mantis speaks of his love for me in his signature, and I was the foremost contributor in Metropole's running away crying from our site because we're just a bunch of mean people, apparently--or because I turned up the blowtorch on his ass for making imbecilian comments. Err, yeah. Anyway, I have no idea where the hell I'm going with this post, but I do know that speaking like a South Park character gone pure evil has gotten me a fine reputation around here--hell, at the old Pokemon fake card site I used to go to, I was the most controversial fucking member they had ever seen. Ignorant teenage geeks. I'm a goddamn angel. They just didn't know any better, because they were a bunch of anti-social 16-year-olds that Photoshop together some fake Pokemon cards. I was a fan of Pokemon when I was about 11, and I met some (what I thought) were cool people there. So long after, I stayed, in spite of the fact that I couldn't tell a Squirtle from a Pikachu from a Shoe. Not to mention that all the important people liked me, everyone else got a nice flame of asterisk-censored curses, courtesy of yours truly. Then I realized that they're all boring motherfuckers at a Nazi-ass message board. Now I go here. And I'm not worth a shit. Oddly enough, I copied the legendary Gits of the NE World completely by accident--I use the Internet to vent my dumb, curse-filled side. In real life I'm the nicest fucker you'll ever meet. A little nerdy, yes, and some weird amalgamation of a goth and a treehugger, but I'm still a nice fucking person. Shit, I don't even swear that much. I take my aggravation out on all the motherfuckers I don't even know on this here message board. So I swear and act stupid and spam this bitch up and swear some more. (What the hell is the point of this post so far? Tell me, because I don't know.) A glaring problem is that I just don't care enough to put effort into my posts. "I'm not lazy; just unmotivated." That's an 'Office Space' quote. And it's exactly my philosophy here. This place isn't at all important to me, but it's here to entertain me. But I promise, I'll try harder to be intelligent, so I can major in English or journalism or the liberal arts...I probably should write more. Huzzah for writing. So I'll stop ripping off Git and Kirii and Tie. I promise.

Oh, one more thing: religion is for the weak-minded, and patriotism is for the ignorant. That is all.

Thanks for listening.

Shit, man, you forgot to big up obscure, nonsensical Canadian movies.
Some fucking imitator you are.

But swearing, or doing anything else to try to fit in, just to look cool, is worthless.

And I know that's why you all do it.

Speaking for myself, yes, of course, you're right. I mean, shit, I just wanted to be like Buster, man. Enough that I willfully would bear all the fucking ignorant bullshit that got thrown at me for it.
It was all because Coaster Ed was my model for God. I wish I had a mouth as foul as his.

Am I cool, yet?

Really though. All I ever wanted to do was to fit in. This is why I swore excessively - to fit in with all those holier-than-thou fucknuts who were above and beyond that kind of shit.
My motivation was always acceptance. I always did hope you fags would accept me for who I really am. That's why I became someone who looked, talked, walked, and fucked like I always wanted to. The truth being that I am in fact an eighteen year old, ugly-ass EverQuest addicted virgin.
Oh Lord, why did things have to be this hard?
Why must I constantly have to imitate every single asshole around me?
Why must I constantly have to worry about my fucking image?
Dammit.
I take it all back.
I wish I was as wise as Glitchwolf, man.

Fuck the fucking swearing.

If you don't want your topics to take detours, don't give people the chance to do it. I am aware that you cannot control other peoples' directions they take with topics, but, when you open up the door for something like this to happen, and then later complain about the state of your thread, it's idiotic.

I wasn't actually complaining to be honest. I was just pointing out how the topic had "evolved" as it were. And I love my flattering of myself. Teehee.

We'll get right on it, Red.

Too right. You actually got the meaning of why I said that. Good job Harakirii, you've verbally owned me well and truely.

Oh, and by the way, I love being a Communist tail-chaser.

By the way, you're about as Communist as John Fucking Kennedy. You and I both have "Communist" avatars, and yet neither of us is remotely Communist. Besides, it looks nice on paper, but we now know that Communism is a mass failure when put into action.

We are actually the same person: Larry McJoewad

No, you shit, we're Dr. Phil. Your avatar says so.

PS- Thanks for remembering one of my old selves, iris. I sure as hell don't remember you from then.


^Look, I'm stupid again.

The truth being that I am in fact an eighteen year old, ugly-ass EverQuest addicted virgin.

Stop that, jackass. I mean, we all know that you are addicted to porn and you ass-fuck underage males. And you are ugly, on top of that.

your so cool
how can I be just like you?

Anyhow. You are all very funny, with your Catholic priest complex and all. Wait, come to think of it... Git is probably a priest. Wouldn't that be a hoot.

Dammit.
Look, Metal, Marshy, Blitz-sama, etc.
Stop spamming in these threads, ruining perfectly good topics. I'm really getting sick of this shit. This is killing the fucking site, and I'm done allowing it. Spamming like this will be taken much more seriously from here on in.
I'm sick of these stupid replies of people trying to be funny, and just being annoying and immature. Stop it, there are places throughout the site to be an asshole in. Go to FreeSpeak if you want to ruin the quality of the boards, since I'm never in there.

Hello.


I am taking initiative...

This isn't a free-for-all...
That's what freespeak is for...

Go post useless shit there please...
However, This was a good topic, that was very biased by the people who continually argued a moot point...

If you offended by "swearing", I have 3 options for you...
1. Leave and never come back.
2. except the fact that it won't stop and try to live with it.
3. ignore people who do it.

Posix and Glitchwolf...
Please grow up. Other mods and myself will not tolerate constant arguing and insulting.

I insult people, but I do it all in good fun, my intentions are not to degrade or humiliate personally unless i am attacked first...

I am not taking sides, but I can't stand this constant pointing of fingers...

To new members...
(bottom and marshy in particular)

spamming every single topic with no relevence and insulting this website isn't going gain you popularity. If that is your aim to harass others, then I feel sorry for you.

Marshy, just calm down a little, that's all.
bottom, just leave...or play somewhat nice...

Thread killed...
There are too many posts to delete here...start another "swearing" topic if you want to discuss this further, though there is nothign to discuss anymore...

I will not turn into a D-Net mod, and be gay and close everything, but there will be no more retarded topics in the Basic chat anymore...


Raven-SDI
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Dont kill a topic just because of spam, but I guess by Iris' reaction its time to start cracking down. So, we just delete all the spam and all is well. I dont believe thoes who want to talk should have a topic to talk in taken away because a few people decided one word posts were cool, so I think the better response is just taking away the spam and leaving the topic open to thoes with something to say. Pruning time.

Yeah in the past I pretty much let everything go. I fixed links for people and helpful things like that but I felt bad about messing with people's words even if they were spamtastic. This topic clued me in that spam is really becoming a problem around here and that's what motivated my actions in the Ad. District. I'm alright with letting a conversation drift to different topics sometimes but the way some members seem to have nothing to offer but insults is really upsetting.

I agree with this board's 'free speech' policy and I don't think we should start censoring swear words and whatnot but when somebody tries to generate discussion and all they get is insults and half assed 'looks great' replies than we have a problem. I know some people enjoy testing the limits by insulting other people and saying it's all in good fun but a little common courtesy every now and then doesn't make you a zealot of 'the system'. You can disagree with corporitism, capitalism, blind patriotism, interventionism, commercialism, and the general socio-political condition without insulting everyone you see. Being polite does not make you a zombie, it makes you a decent human being. Sure it's no fun when everyone's polite. Have fun, be reckless, but at least try to be responsible about it. What the hell am I saying? Reckless and responsible? I'm not really sure what I mean. I guess just try to realize that you are insulting people and if that's acceptable to you personally then no one's going to stop you but at least have some notion of personal accountability. I don't expect anyone to change their minds or their actions because of my opinion but I do express my opinion anyway because that's my right. Go ahead and call me up-tight, I wear the label proudly.

p.s. I kinda lost track of what I was trying to say there. Just ignore me. I'm a conflicted individual. I harbor a strange kind of jealousy for anyone willing to do what I wouldn't do even if I find it morally reprehensible. Must be why I like movies so much.

p.s. I kinda lost track of what I was trying to say there. Just ignore me. I'm a conflicted individual. I harbor a strange kind of jealousy for anyone willing to do what I wouldn't do even if I find it morally reprehensible. Must be why I like movies so much.

You're a strange man, Ed, a strange man indeed.

Oh yeah, thanks for reopening it. We were getting somewhere until those Station rejects screwed everything up. Wait, what were we talking about?

I love your "initiative" Raven. This thread is already looking alot better. It seriously had to loose some pounds.
One thing though. Could you list the members you deleted posts of? That might make people understand that they've gone too far. Me included.

Posix and Glitchwolf...
Please grow up. Other mods and myself will not tolerate constant arguing and insulting.

I'm only insulting him because he needs a sort of "brake" in my opinion. He's having a negative influence on NE's Noob-friendliness. I've seen him pissing new members off what made them leave and he's insutling others in a very mean way too. As you want me to stop I hope you're going to do my job in the future. You may of course think that I'm just being a bit too overconfident and don't see anything wrong with Glitchwolf. Then I guess I'll have no choice but to accept. These are those times where I hate authority that I don't have...

Ill have you know I did the opening and pruning thank you very much.... no respect I tell ya.