General Chat / The Matrix Reloaded...

Over analyze? ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING?! Shit, isn't supposed to be some deep, psychological, and philosophical movie? Isn't it supposed to be more than just eye-candy? If not, then what the fuck is the point of the movies? I mean, come on. Yes, the special effects were fabulous. But it is supposed to be more than that. It is supposed to make you think.

Maybe that's the whole point of it. They brothers couldn't come up with a decent script, so they just tried to hide it with special effects...

Or maybe the movie just sucks period.

No, the movie isn't supposed to be deep. We all just thought that because every other sentence that came out of Morpheus's mouth in the first one was a question answering Neo's questions. There isn't a whole lot to get out of the movie except "What is real?" and "When is Carrie-Ann Moss going to pose for Penthouse?"
And when the agent describes humanity. But that is pretty elementary itself. As is the rest of the movie. Little high-schoolers went in to see the movie and came out saying, in synchronization, "We're fake, dude..." acting like they just saw the most intelligent and cryptic movie they've ever seen.

Also, Guardian man, if you write shit for the school paper, then I hope your editor gets paid in gold bars or some shit.

Kiri is right, the damned thing isn't fucking deep. Over-analyzing it is pointless. The same thing goes with Star Wars, and the force, and all that bullshit.

What does it all mean? Nothing. Why did this happen? Or that happen? Or anything happen? Because it helps the 'plot' move along, or makes a cool action sequence, or because it makes the good guys win and the bad guys loose.

Taking it any further is dumb! And stupid! And there isn't anything to look into further to begin with.

Eventually you'll start making up stuff just to explain somebodies 'Grand Vision' which in reality, is just a good excuse to blow tons of cash and make twice as much in return.

Dumbfucks.

With that said: the first movie had great special effects, and action, and was truly entertaining. If the second is the same way, I'm going to be happy whenever I get around to seeing it.

The system which runs the matrix could maybe make the agents invincible but they don't want to.

Actually, they probably do want to, but the script won't let them as if it did, there is no way in hell Neo would win. And if Neo couldn't win, the movie wouldn't work, and we'd all be pissed.

Kiri is right, the damned thing isn't fucking deep. Over-analyzing it is pointless. The same thing goes with Star Wars, and the force, and all that bullshit.

What does it all mean? Nothing. Why did this happen? Or that happen? Or anything happen? Because it helps the 'plot' move along, or makes a cool action sequence, or because it makes the good guys win and the bad guys loose.

Taking it any further is dumb! And stupid! And there isn't anything to look into further to begin with.

Eventually you'll start making up stuff just to explain somebodies 'Grand Vision' which in reality, is just a good excuse to blow tons of cash and make twice as much in return.

Dumbfucks.

With that said: the first movie had great special effects, and action, and was truly entertaining. If the second is the same way, I'm going to be happy whenever I get around to seeing it.

The system which runs the matrix could maybe make the agents invincible but they don't want to.

Actually, they probably do want to, but the script won't let them as if it did, there is no way in hell Neo would win. And if Neo couldn't win, the movie wouldn't work, and we'd all be pissed.

How do you know Neo will win?

Kiri is right, the damned thing isn't fucking deep. Over-analyzing it is pointless. The same thing goes with Star Wars, and the force, and all that bullshit.

What does it all mean? Nothing. Why did this happen? Or that happen? Or anything happen? Because it helps the 'plot' move along, or makes a cool action sequence, or because it makes the good guys win and the bad guys loose.

Taking it any further is dumb! And stupid! And there isn't anything to look into further to begin with.

Eventually you'll start making up stuff just to explain somebodies 'Grand Vision' which in reality, is just a good excuse to blow tons of cash and make twice as much in return.

Dumbfucks.

With that said: the first movie had great special effects, and action, and was truly entertaining. If the second is the same way, I'm going to be happy whenever I get around to seeing it.

The system which runs the matrix could maybe make the agents invincible but they don't want to.

Actually, they probably do want to, but the script won't let them as if it did, there is no way in hell Neo would win. And if Neo couldn't win, the movie wouldn't work, and we'd all be pissed.

How do you know Neo will win?

Because if Neo doesn't win, the franchise will be closed for business. You really don't think the Studio will lose the possibility of more films after 'Reloaded". I guess anything is possible, but remember the studios greed nearly always supercedes the filmmakers wishes.

True. But, that's not the point. The point is that the movie sucks because the action scenes make no fucking sense when put against the plot. I mean, what was the point of him fighting the millions of Agent Smiths for twenty minutes? Or the point of him fighting that Asian fellow? Or those other dudes? Shit. If I wanted to watch kung fuing, then I would watch some Bruce Lee stuff.

I mean, they could have atleast tried to tie all the eye-candy shit into the plot.

The only justification for the matrix allowing the one to exist and the agents not being able to stop him is in the frickin' movie. Stop asking stupid questions when you haven't even seen it. Yes the action scenes are pointless. Every action scene is pointless. Going to see a movie is an experience. Even if the action doesn't fit into the "plot" of the movie it is still a part of the experience. No the Matrix is not deep. I think it's one of the most overrated movies of the last decade. However, the Matrix Reloaded is everything a sequel should be and the people who are disappointed are the ones who've elevated the original far higher than it deserves. The philosophy in the Matrix is no deeper than the time travel discussion in Back to the Future. They're good movies, not textbooks.

This conversation is deeper than the movie.

If anyone thinks this movie was written a deep statement on human society, they should be slapped repeatedly. If you want something deep, go see 'Bowling for Columbine'. If you want pretty scenes of shit blowing up, go see 'The Matrix Reloaded'.

Thank you.

You are all retards. The first movie was a mind-fucker because it did make you question what was real. Like it or not, assholes, most of it was based in philosophical studies and, arguably, the Bible. It was supposed to get people to think about their lives and such. Shit, why do you think it was so popular? If you believe that it was just for the fucking eye-candy, you are a retard. Lots of movie have that, and they are not held in high esteem. It was because the movie was going places. It was challenging our perceptions of what is "real". We were supposed to question our own philosophies. Fuck, you can even compare the story to the Bible! How can you not say it was deep? Or, meant to be? If you think that it is just action scene after action scene, then you are not paying attention. You are probably the same dipshits who fell asleep during the "tender moments", and when you heard a load noise, you woke up. Let me guess: You love movies like, I don't know, anything Jean-Claude VanDamme? Where there is a nearly non-existant plot...

but...

OMGF TEH EXPLODEZ R AWESOME LOLO!@!!@#@@!11

I mean, seriously. Why do the new Star Wars films suck? Too many special effects, crappy acting, under-developed plot... The nice thing about the original film is that there were moments when the special effects were put behind the plot. But, with Reloaded, it's like... LOOK WHAT WE CAN DO!!!!11 What the fuck kind of movie is that? Sure, it's fun to look at. But did you really come out with anything? Was there anything truly memorable about it? Anything that just fucks your skull? Not really. Maybe the whole Architect thing, but other than that? No. Whereas the Matrix, people actually came out and thought about it, despite what you assholes say.

One interesting note: Perhaps all the pointless shit in the movie was engineered like that... Because, in the end, all of it was pointless anyway. In which case, that is genius. But, what are the odds?

i think i'll invite the brothers over for a cup of tea and ask them what all that matrix business was about...

Was there a Revolutions preview after the end credits of Matrix Reloaded? If so... FUCK!!!!


BTW, to answer Ty's first question about Neo kicking ass sometimes but not always.

1. It's hard to fly into an agent when there are 100 others trying fighting you.

2. You can get away with it the first time when there are only three and two of them don't know what's going on, but not again with the same guy.

3. He flew into Smith last time and Smith gained the opportunity to copy himself. Neo ain't gonna do that again.

At least that's what the movie would say.

[quote]You are all retards. The first movie was a mind-fucker because it did make you question what was real. Like it or not, assholes, most of it was based in philosophical studies and, arguably, the Bible. [/quote]No shit.
OMG OMG they named zion the city like the city in the bible that got destroyed OMG! how deep!! OH JEEZUS THEY COMPARED HUMANITY TO A VIRUS I CANT BELIEVE HOW ORIGINAL THAT IS!!
Give me a fucking break.

[quote]It was supposed to get people to think about their lives and such. Shit, why do you think it was so popular? If you believe that it was just for the fucking eye-candy, you are a retard.[/quote]

People have an underlying fascination with glorified violence and superhuman-like characteristics. Just ask video games like Quake 3 arena, and movies like Spider-Man. Hell, let's ask the whole fucking slew of super-hero films coming out!

[quote]Lots of movie have that, and they are not held in high esteem. It was because the movie was going places. It was challenging our perceptions of what is "real". We were supposed to question our own philosophies. Fuck, you can even compare the story to the Bible! How can you not say it was deep?[/quote]Damn. That shit's deep. They copied the Bible. Which happens to one of the most important and popular collection of volumes in fucking history. When you prove my point for me, it's even funnier.

[quote]If you think that it is just action scene after action scene, then you are not paying attention.[/quotes]

Actually, I was staring down the shirt of extremely gorgeous woman in front of me in the movie theater. But actually, the movie was in fact dull as shit in between fight-scenes. Hell, even the fight scenes were boring.
The only amusement I got was that Tank guy. Is he funny-looking to anyone else?

[quote]You are probably the same dipshits who fell asleep during the "tender moments", and when you heard a load noise, you woke up. Let me guess: You love movies like, I don't know, anything Jean-Claude VanDamme? Where there is a nearly non-existant plot...[/quote]

No. However, I do enjoy plots that haven't been overdone. The fact is, it was trivial to people who didn't need a movie to question their being. I swear, at the end of the show I attended, the whole audience at my show walked out and all piled into the Seven-Eleven because they just did the most thinking in their lives, and needed some fucking migraine medication.
Now, I'm not calling it a bad movie. I am just quashing the ideas that it was deep. Fight Club was deep, because it had so, so, so fucking many underlying themes and ideologies that you had to see it again and again, and contemplate and piece together everything. The same with films like Mulholland Drive and Best of the Best II. The Matrix was made for people. Stupid people. It had ONE direction, with ONE conclusion, and it put it out there better than your (meaning you, Tie) mother. Sure, one seeing something like that and questioning one's whole is essentially the starting point for any hungry mind, but to Chauncey and me, it was old news. Age 12 kind of shit.

Now, I'm off to see X2: Mutants United(for real this time).


Uh... Yea...... The quote shit isn't working.... But they are all replies to Tie's post, chronologically.

Yes.

Edited by Harakirii, 16 May 2003 - 05:28 PM.

You are all retards. The first movie was a mind-fucker because it did make you question what was real. Like it or not, assholes, most of it was based in philosophical studies and, arguably, the Bible. It was supposed to get people to think about their lives and such. Shit, why do you think it was so popular? If you believe that it was just for the fucking eye-candy, you are a retard. Lots of movie have that, and they are not held in high esteem. It was because the movie was going places. It was challenging our perceptions of what is "real". We were supposed to question our own philosophies. Fuck, you can even compare the story to the Bible! How can you not say it was deep? Or, meant to be? If you think that it is just action scene after action scene, then you are not paying attention. You are probably the same dipshits who fell asleep during the "tender moments", and when you heard a load noise, you woke up. Let me guess: You love movies like, I don't know, anything Jean-Claude VanDamme? Where there is a nearly non-existant plot...

but...

OMGF TEH EXPLODEZ R AWESOME LOLO!@!!@#@@!11

I mean, seriously. Why do the new Star Wars films suck? Too many special effects, crappy acting, under-developed plot... The nice thing about the original film is that there were moments when the special effects were put behind the plot. But, with Reloaded, it's like... LOOK WHAT WE CAN DO!!!!11 What the fuck kind of movie is that? Sure, it's fun to look at. But did you really come out with anything? Was there anything truly memorable about it? Anything that just fucks your skull? Not really. Maybe the whole Architect thing, but other than that? No. Whereas the Matrix, people actually came out and thought about it, despite what you assholes say.

One interesting note: Perhaps all the pointless shit in the movie was engineered like that... Because, in the end, all of it was pointless anyway. In which case, that is genius. But, what are the odds?

Wow your pretty smart for someone educated at a community college. But your wrong on one thing. The Matrix: Reloaded does make you question. The whole part with The Architect and him explaning what was really going on really makes you wonder "what is real?" You dont know if Zion or being unplugged from the Matrix is really just a Matrix with in a Matrix. The way the architect explained that Zion is destroyed every set amout of years really gets your mind going. To add to all of this The Architect tells of how and what happens to The One when he gets this far. Yet adding even more to the plot and to the confusion of the movie is the fact that Neo is the most advanced of all the Ones that have came before and that they might be a possibility that he can "save" Zion. So I know this didnt make much sense Im a really bad writer but I just wanted to defend what I think is a really good and indepth movie. And yes, the music did suck.

Anyway, the movie sucks. And you are proving my point, that it does suck. The original was decent. Reloaded is subpar.

As far as "why Neo can't destroy the agents" listen to what Neo says when he meets the first three. Notice the word "upgrades" , the new agents are better, they are upgrades to the last groudp and the last group was most likely deleted. Agent Smith (actually now it's just "Smith") is NO LONGER and agent, he said so himself. My problem is what the hell is he now? Is he a virus or a new anomally? And what the hell is he doing at the Architects main building if he is no longer an agent? Speaking of "the architect" that had to be one of the most mind numbing scenes ever filmed. They should have done that whole dialog scene in "Bullet time" so i would have had time to understand it . Other things i would have liked to have had explained.

1. What the hell are the twins? what kind of program?
2. I know Dozer died, but what happened to Tank?
3. The guy at the end, i would have prefered a better ending cliffhanger.
4. What did Morpheus inject into Trinity? probably adreniline but i would have liked to know.
5. Can a program be deleted by shooting it? i refer to the Keymaker (and where is the Gatekeeper? )

Anyways, i loved the film, it follows many of the rules of a trillogy well (second is always the darkest), although i would have hoped for more answers. Go see it anyways and just enjoy it for what it is.

1. Virii written by the old program (french guy)

2. Timelapse between movies

3. That was smith's human form.

4. probably adrenaline.

5. Most programs still adhere to rules set for humans.

The twins are old agents that never went back to the source or were killed.

I'm not getting my hopes up, which is probably why I'm gonna love it, the first one was so good, people were expecting the quality to increase by leaps and bounds and overdid the hype and even though it was good, it wasnt as good as they hoped, which I don't think it could have been

so I'm going in in a mediocre mood, expecting less than I really expect, if that makes sense at all, probably not

I mean, what was the point of him fighting the millions of Agent Smiths for twenty minutes? Or the point of him fighting that Asian fellow? Or those other dudes? Shit. If I wanted to watch kung fuing, then I would watch some Bruce Lee stuff.

Ok, heres my take.

He fights the Agent Smith's because of one reasons: Agent Smith is mad at him. Doesnt tie into the plot, but whatever.

The Asian fellow is meant to protect the oracle. He knows Neo is coming, so that is why he fought him (If he won, he would know that his opponent is not the one).

The Twins are simply henchmen of the Frenchguy, who is keeping the keymaker. He may want the keymaker so he can visit the Martix Father (Instead of Neo).