General Chat / NE 2012 U.S. Election discussion.

I don't support gay marraige or abortion. Marriage, has been for over 2,000 years and should always be, a sacred union of a man and a woman. Let them do what they want, it's just an insult to call it a marraige. Why not a union or something along those lines? As for abortion, it's just another name for murder to a helpless person.

I think I just barfed a bit in my mouth.

I've done some thinking about the topic and looked back at some of my posts. I've realized I have been insensitive to others and just sounded like an immature jerk while stating my ill-informed opinion. Frankly, I don't really know what I was thinking to bring this whole debate up. I understand this is a sensitive subject that may apply to many in the community here. And I have treated this subject like garbage, while in the process probably offending many and making enemies with others. For this, and much more, I apologize.
Can we continue this discussion like adults with no hard feelings?

I know gays and consider them respectable people.

I know gays too, and they are people. Their sexual preference doesn't make them more or less respectable, I mean, what an absurd concept. The bottom-line is that we are all just PEOPLE, and all people, no matter if you're gay, straight, black, white, male, female, or whatever, deserve to be treated equally.

I know you were trying to save face here, but...yeah.

Carry on.

The topic of gay marriage is one that hits home for me, because very very close family of mine is homosexual ( and catholic ).

I don't share my religions opinion of marriage, and believe same sex marriages can be as sacred as their "normal" counterparts.

I've done some thinking about the topic and looked back at some of my posts. I've realized I have been insensitive to others and just sounded like an immature jerk while stating my ill-informed opinion. Frankly, I don't really know what I was thinking to bring this whole debate up. I understand this is a sensitive subject that may apply to many in the community here. And I have treated this subject like garbage, while in the process probably offending many and making enemies with others. For this, and much more, I apologize.
Can we continue this discussion like adults with no hard feelings?

The problem with the definition of marriage as found in the Bible is that it relies on an ancient text to define marriage, and you're taking that and interpreting it literally today, and a lot of people do that when they're uncomfortable with a concept. The biggest annoyance I have with religion in general is the general mindset of "pick and choose". And the most infuriating thing is that whenever I bring this up, the question is dodged.

So here's my question, I would appreciate a straight answer: Why do you think it's alright to do some things that are against the bible (the usually quoted ones, like wearing mixed fabrics and not putting someone to death for adultery), but adhere to the text on things like gay rights?

Additionally, as an atheist who also happens to be gay, I'm wondering why you think the rules of your holy book should apply to someone who doesn't practice your religion.


I realize some of this may come off as angry/bitter; don't interpret it that way; I'm trying not to mince words to get my point across. I'm just asking honest questions, hoping for honest responses

I'm wondering why you think the rules of your holy book should apply to someone who doesn't practice your religion.

it's because they feel sorry for 'us'. the church brainwashes them to think that way.



nothing, and i mean nothing, pisses me off more than when a 'believer' tells me they feel sorry for me, simply because i don't believe what they believe. it kinda angers me just to think about.

I believe that Jesus went East to study Buddhism during that 18 year blank period (between the 12 year old story and his returning to Jerusalem), because his motives and the Buddha's motives are sincerely very alike.

Each to his own.

I've done some thinking about the topic and looked back at some of my posts. I've realized I have been insensitive to others and just sounded like an immature jerk while stating my ill-informed opinion. Frankly, I don't really know what I was thinking to bring this whole debate up. I understand this is a sensitive subject that may apply to many in the community here. And I have treated this subject like garbage, while in the process probably offending many and making enemies with others. For this, and much more, I apologize.
Can we continue this discussion like adults with no hard feelings?

Truce. I don't mean to be a dick, but my patience is dwindling as the election draws closer. You seem like a reasonable person, and I'll try to be the same.

Just ran across this on facebook and it seemed applicable.

I believe that Jesus went East to study Buddhism during that 18 year blank period (between the 12 year old story and his returning to Jerusalem), because his motives and the Buddha's motives are sincerely very alike.

Basically all religions are very sincerely alike

I don't believe in fairy tales.

homerun for louis...

And I just applaud obama for trying a heatlcare system that we in belgium have and it works perfect...
I mean obamacare as the americans know it has to be finished because you'll all be better off

I don't believe in fairy tales.

Jesus of Nazareth actually existed; whether or not the scripture is true is another question.

I don't believe in fairy tales.

I don't care what your beliefs are, but calling it "fairy tales" for me is borderline offensive, especially when you know there are religious people on this site. I'm not holding anything against you for it and I don't mean any offense towards you.

I'm against straight marriage. According to my book of beliefs it entitles me to preach against the ungodly ritual of straight marriage as according to this book marriage should always be a sacred union of man and man.

I like to picture Jesus in a tuxedo t-shirt. It says I'm formal, but I like to party.

Nobody has the right to never be offended.
Especially if you are a member of a group that might be the biggest bunch of mass murderers in history.
And no, I won't take that back. Read a book about history other than the one some ancient rednecks wrote ~ 2000 years ago.

Nobody has the right to never be offended.
Especially if you are a member of a group that might be the biggest bunch of mass murderers in history.
And no, I won't take that back. Read a book about history other than the one some ancient rednecks wrote ~ 2000 years ago.

I don't understand... nobody has the right to never be offended?

What it basically means is that free speech > religious feelings ALL. THE. TIME.

Nobody has the right to never be offended = Nobody has the right to stroll through their lives without having to sometimes endure the fact that somebody doesn't believe in the same imganinary friend they have and also stands by that.

In a nutshell - there is never to be censorship based on religion. In NO case whatsoever.