General Chat / NE 2012 U.S. Election discussion.

One question, is the $30,000 a year per-capita income or household income? Even if it were household income, I don't believe it falls below poverty line unless you have atleast six kids. I would be glad to start out making $30,000 a year. From what I've heard, the median per-capita income is $35,000 and the median household income is $50,000. That graph isn't correct because it is obsolete

Also Comet, I despise the term "Middle-Class" as it really isn't a definition of income. It is a social class. For some reason, a household income of $100,000 is considered "high-income," but no way in hell would I consider it "Upper-Class," although that is another topic entirely that involves a complex controversy on one's judgements of sociology.

I was referring to this, which you guys seemed to think I was making up. The fact is the lower-income population is increasingly exponentially faster than high-income. Take that on any interval you want at +/- 50%. This means the economic gap has and always will widen - right now, extremely rapidly. This makes the economy worse from all angles.

What are you talking about when you say "the economy" then? What could be changed that would alter the money people are making throughout the system, other than top corporations mass-producing things? Less regulation supposedly means more jobs, but it's never happened. What's good for business is bad for the consumers, but what's good for the consumers is unfair to those already making more than they can spend in their lifetimes. I'm not saying tax them - or anyone else - into oblivion, but what do you really think is going to happen if Romney gets elected? What could his economic plan - which he refuses to disclose until he's in office - do? The government isn't a business. If it were, it would have declared bankruptcy and been dissolved decades ago. A businessman will (or can) do nothing.

No I didn't think you were making it up, I just didn't really understand how it tied into the economy or anything else

I just don't like what Obama has said, it's so simple and hasn't worked in the past why would it work now. So he's gonna put more of a tax burden on the upper class and bigger businesses, and therefore the tax breaks to the middle class will create increased spending and the smaller businesses will be able to hire more employees? In reality that hasn't necessarily led to increased spending, it's led to increased saving, and by taxing the bigger companies more they'd be forced to lay off employees which balances out the new jobs created by smaller businesses. I just don't want another four years of that pointless cycle

I might just be biased as an accounting major that's about to enter the real world, but I'm just interested to see what a businessman can do. I'm in no way a big Republican or Romney supporter, but Obama has proven nothing

The one thing I care about most other than national security is our economy.

the discussion may as well end here. what kind of asshole has priorities like this?

Hahah I fucking hate everyone's opinion in this section of the forum I don't know why I still visit here
What would you like my top priorities to be in this election Dr. Dude? The legalization of gay marriage and weed? Immigration? Or Education? Is that what's supposed to be important to me

I just figured that since I'm most likely gonna find my job/career during this next president's term that the economy/jobs during that period would be kind of important. And since I live in New York City and am still saddened and frightened by what happened on 9/11 I figured national security is also kinda important

In reality that hasn't necessarily led to increased spending, it's led to increased saving, and by taxing the bigger companies more they'd be forced to lay off employees which balances out the new jobs created by smaller businesses.

Why does a company whose CEO makes millions need to lay off employees? Even if he's taxed at 60% he'll still make several orders of magnitude more than anyone else in the company. He still reaps the most benefit for taking whatever risk was involved with setting up his company. Many companies have long since transcended that "risk-reward" threshold because they're too large to simply fail, and they only continue to increase their production and thus their profits.

Sorry I forgot to answer this, I was talking about Mitt Romney

again... which mitt romney?


either way, until this country brings in more money than we use, the debt will increase. and it's sad, but i honestly don't see that happening anytime soon... if ever. nothing that mitt romney will/can do will/can change that. he's going to create 12 million jobs at the flick of a switch? bullshit.

it's sad as shit, and actually scary to think about the future of this country, but unless we have an absolutely massive overhaul in government and the 'job sector'... i wouldn't be surprised to see an employment/unemployment rate hovering around 50% come 2050 or so. and i know, i know, i'm nuts to even believe that this is a possibility but i don't see that massive overhaul happening. government IS a business and like a lot of businesses, they are out of touch and don't hold the interests of their employees (citizens) in mind. we have two parties, that instead of progressing would rather bicker back and forth than work. in any other situation, progress stalls but for some unknown reason (hope, denial, fear, patriotism, pride, ignorance?), people believe that we will get over this hump and shit will change.

they are not us. they don't think the same. they don't live by the same set of rules. i hate to use the legalization movement here again but it really shows that these people don't represent us. that recent gallup poll shows that 50% of the country believes that cannabis should no longer be illegal. 50%! that is half people, half! now, what percentage of politicians believe that cannabis should no longer be illegal? i'm going to guess around 1% or so, positive it's less than 5%. and these people who do believe this aren't taken seriously.

they are not us.


it's sad, but i don't see 'change' happening any time soon, no matter the president.

RMM, can we be friends? All of your posts are exactly how I think

lol.

Props to Chris Christie for giving credit where credit is due with regard to Obama's relief response to Sandy. Needless to say though, Republicans are pissed at their keynote speaker. Meanwhile, Romney, who previously suggested nixing FEMA, is rather quiet. Things are getting interesting, and this hurricane probably came at the worst possible time for Romney.

Also, lol:

Everyone in the path of the hurricane should head to their second or third home to safety #Sandy #RomneyStormTips

Oh, I actually think just the Romney camp is pissed, not "Republicans" per se. It's a nice bipartisan action for all those Christie 2016 ads, isn't it? =D

I hate to say it, RMM, but as I've stated before, we have to change outselves first. If we want more jobs, we need them to be sustainable and highly desirable.

http://thenewcivilri...012/10/30/52648

Hahah I fucking hate everyone's opinion in this section of the forum I don't know why I still visit here
What would you like my top priorities to be in this election Dr. Dude? The legalization of gay marriage and weed? Immigration? Or Education? Is that what's supposed to be important to me

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humanity should be your priority. as i said the president does not control the economy. the president does control the direction of social legislation. we can't have a bigoted cunt controlling the social direction of our nation.

he literally ruined people lives. if you really want someone like that as PRESIDENT, because you think his slightly more conservative economic values are better, you're a lost cause. it's called 'empathy', try it out some time. i'm in the same fucking boat as you (worse because I'm a film major who not not even complete college), don't try to pull that narcissistic self-interest shit.

Dr_Dude, you are back in my good graces.

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Gesundheit?

[quote name='Dr_Dude' date='31 October 2012 - 01:39 PM' timestamp='1351705141' post='606328']if you really want someone like that as PRESIDENT, because you think his slightly more conservative economic values are better, you're a lost cause. it's called 'empathy', try it out some time.quote]

I just got into a heated arguement with a republican(bad idea). He pretty much lost the arguement because he valued the economy more than human rights. How flawed can your political philosophy get?

I just got into a heated arguement with a republican(bad idea). He pretty much lost the arguement because he valued the economy more than human rights. How flawed can your political philosophy get?

says the guy who says this...

Here are my two-cents:
I honestly don't understand why people argue about this all the time. Quit wasting your effort, things like renewable energy are 100,000 times more important than helping the stoners. Sorry, but the world isn't perfect, and although it might be better to decrease punishment for drug use, it would be best not to use it at all. Legalizing marijuana will just allow corporations to make profits out of stupid people while supplying jobs that are mostly low wage.

hypocrite

1: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion

2: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings





you should run for office.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michelangelo-signorile/romney-some-gays-are-actu_b_2022314.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

humanity should be your priority. as i said the president does not control the economy. the president does control the direction of social legislation. we can't have a bigoted cunt controlling the social direction of our nation.

+1.

I had a long discussion with someone today who is only voting for Obama because the thought of Romney potentially nominating 4 Supreme Court justices in this term scared her beyond belief with regards to common law, women's reproductive rights, and education. The thought of having a firmly conservative and regressive Court for the rest of my lifetime would be one that would cause more protests than Occupy could ever dream of.

jaguarkid, 2016.


Also: Hi milo ^_^

Also Also: Hi RMM. Yeah, guv'ment is pretty worthless at this point. Neither guy is gonna get their agenda through, and the lack of a budget is gonna sink this country damn quick.

For the thread at large: "If you are young, and you are not liberal, you have no heart. If you are old, and you are not conservative, you have no brain"

Heh.