General Chat / Free KONG and CENA

Sincere thanks for the enlightenment, posix. I had no idea about the 'incident'. Whenever post moderation or bans occur, I feel under informed about why it happened. I think a public explanation is necessary in these circumstances, to prevent(or at least help to prevent) negative opinions towards you admins. I realize all the work that goes into keeping this place up and running, and I do appreciate it, which is why I feel there should be no hate, especially about failure to explain why some disciplinary action was taken.

As far as getting into sticky situations with the admins, I find it pretty easy to avoid. Of course, everyone's circumstances are different, so it may not be as easy for someone like KONG to take this site with a grain of salt.

The death threats are a bit far, in any case.

Again, I do appreciate what all of you guys do for NE, but some explanations for this stuff when it happens would be nice. Now, I hope we can all move forward from this.

Sucks that you had to deal with this posix, major props to you for handling it the best you can. I don't stop by much and post even less so I really have no idea what's been happening. As strange as it is, right when I started reading this thread I had little doubt that you acted accordingly. I can't say that I've ever had any reason to think that what you do is for anything other than the good of the site and the game. After reading your tl:dr post (ha ha) I think you've proven that you handled this the best you could. It really should have been kept behind closed doors. It's too bad a larger, hairy, older guy couldn't handle keeping things from exploding out into the public view.

Good luck with everything.

Possibly the best gif I have ever seen in my life, Robert.

Autistics are high-functioning, but it's still a disorder.

I'm autistic. I've never had problems with it, I'm just dumb as fuck when it comes to real life social encounters. I don't see why they at least didn't try to talk to Cena after he 'calmed down'. Or just try to get an apology out of him. Just give him a break. I hope this can be worked out soon. I don't like places that are too happy and perfect where everybody is nice. Gotham, Metropolis, etc. needs a few villains once in a while.

I guess in a stretch, posix was the hero. The hero that we may have deserved, but not the one we need right now. He might be hunted, and I hope he can take it, because he's not their hero. He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A dark knight.

Sorry for replying to and editing that so late into the topic.

I'm autistic. I've never had problems with it, I'm just dumb as fuck when it comes to real life social encounters. I don't see why they at least didn't try to talk to Cena after he 'calmed down'. Or just try to get an apology out of him. Just give him a break. I hope this can be worked out soon. I don't like places that are too happy and perfect where everybody is nice. Gotham, Metropolis, etc. needs a few villains once in a while.

I guess in a stretch, posix was the hero. The hero that we may have deserved, but not the one we need right now. He might be hunted, and I hope he can take it, because he's not their hero. He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A dark knight.

Sorry for replying to and editing that so late into the topic.

Gotham? Always happy? You serious?

Cena had to be banned. Someone who's threatening to kill us like that just can't be on this website, I'm sorry.

I hope this will at least partially close this whole chapter. At least for the people I care about.

On ya posix

I allready respected you posix and that has just risen.
I despite the fact that you ,Liam and Geewhzz had to go through all this.
After reading the full explanation ,i can only say that your actions where correct.
Great thanks to you for the explanation and the daily effort you all put in this site.

Btw. : I'm personally suffering from copd and crps (dystrofie) in my left leg and foot,
wich makes me cranky too sometimes ,because of the serious pain it can give, but that's no reason to behave like a complete dick. Maybe sometimes i can be a little harsh, but i'll always try to remain positive. Should be the same for everybody ,don't take out your anger and frustration on somebody else.
Everybody suffers sometimes. Deal with it.

I hope to continue here with you guys, it would be a shame if this would have ended it.

Greets and respect.

Arjan

I don't get all the crap our admins get poured over them, and all the respect a bunch of pricks get. Posix and Liam are putting loads of time and effort in this site to keep it running for us, for you guys! They get a lot of crap te endure, but there is a line. Cena and KONG on the other hand just feel like they put a lot of time in insulting others and boosting their own ego, and they dó get respect from so many forum members that disrespect our admins? Shame on you guys. Threatening people to harm them in real-life is a véry serious line that you dó nót cross. That simple. I think a perma-ban for Cena and contacting the police was the only right option in this. Typing a death threat is no less serious than threatening someone in real-life nowadays. Posix and Liam are here to keep a site that revolves around a freaking game(!) going, not to get threatened. The fact KONG kept defending Cena and nagging on about it in a very indecent way makes me believe it was a righteous decision to limit his posting abilities as well. I trust he can still say whatever he wants on this forum, as long as it's decent and appropriate. Only difference is the admins will check it beforehand instead of áfter posting, so he shouldn't complain, really.


Please, don't bitch on the crew. Imagine yourself putting loads of time and effort into keeping a site like this running for everyone's enjoyment, and getting death threats as a thank you. There's no ''giving people a break'' (morganfan) for that as it's a freaking criminal offence, and there surely isn't some sort of heroic ''Free this douchebag and that douchebag'' project to be initiated. (belgianguy) That's like going to the supreme court and protesting that a terrorist planning a terrorist attack should be freed because of free speech. You wouldn't do that, would you?


All I wanna say is thanks to you admins for keeping this great site running! You don't deserve the crap people throw at you, and I'm sorry shit got way too real lately. If people would just see that it's about a freaking game they might just understand why serious threats and shit like that are completely disproportionate.


I guess I didn't make a lot of friends with this post, but really, I couldn't care less. People that defend idiots and attack devoted and well-considered staff aren't people I'm interested in being befriended with. You guys should reconsider your alliances and your ethics.


So now.... get back to enjoying that game we all love again, and stop caring about internet-bullies and other pricks? I'd much more enjoy talking about (the work of) those in the community that cán behave and be social than those who can't.

^that said, from what you said it sounds horrible what you had to go through but I'm more sorry for you that a situation like this where you're being publicly called out is happening, when you are infact the person keeping this site alive having pushed it to a new level with your visions for it...must feel horrible for you seeing how many hours you put in for this community. So please know when I say this in the name of the community that we all really appreciate your work as admins!

this. posix, you're a cool guy, I don't really get where all the hate is coming from. I seriously appreciate all of the website running meshigas that you do for us

^same. much appreciated

I will comment on the death threat briefly. Cena has a history with the former Dutch community. In the beginning (2006 or 2007), 'we' gave him a chance. We could still talk about his troubles. I didn't like him, I never did, but I kept it for myself as I usually do with people I don't like. Also on MSN, he has told me about his real life problems. Things I remember is a seemingly bad relationship with his mother (I remember Cena insulting her on the forums), and being in a clinic for an internet addiction and how it pissed him off. It took a while before 'we' saw how Cena's attitude would never improve enough for a place in the community. At this point we started to make fun of him as an answer to his hostilities. Believe me when I saw we gave him enough chances before.

It's not true that I am the leader of a group of Cena bullies. While I appear to be Cena's main antagonist, it was never a history of me and Cena, and has always been a story of the former Dutch community and Cena. My role in this is only magnified because I am the most active Dutchman on NE. When Cena was new on this site, the people here were still in the phase of giving him a chance. Some Dutchmen were beyond that phase and continued to make fun of his actions. When it started to affect me negatively, I retreated. At least that's what I wanted... When you're personally targeted, ignoring him was very hard. In the beginning it didn't work at all, but I believe I got better over the years. However, even ignoring him cannot stop Cena apparently. There's no way out and a ban was inevitable at some point...

What I know about Cena is enough to take the death threat serious. Most probably he didn't actually intend to kill me, but you can never be too sure. I'm not risking my life. I did not contact the Police to fuck him, as revenge or punishment. I contacted the police because I genuinely felt threatened. I hope Cena has learned from this. For the sake of himself, and everyone in his life. You cannot present yourself as a potential psycho, conscious or unconscious, and then say such things. Anyone who thinks Cena shouldn't have been banned for this, what does one need to do in order to get banned? The actual act of killing? With the death threat, Cena entered my personal life and I will never forgive him for that. Cena crossed the line way too far and he's lucky that we allowed him to finish his part in H2H6. I sacrificed my own values to relieve the community here a little. Can you imagine what would've happened to the Reservoir Dogs, H2H6 and the community if we threw Cena out of H2H?

On The New Block, a private remnant of the former Dutch RCT community, we had a topic there where we followed his what we percieve as ridiculous actions from a distance. No bullying, the topic was 100% passive. We only followed him because it had become an entertaining case. I mentioned the threat there, and how I was flabbergasted. We didn't make fun of him at that point, and we all agreed that contacting the police was the right thing to do. The next day, I moved the Cena topic backstage, invisible for anyone but the staff which is me and Harm who is a trusted friend of mine anyway, unrelated to NE or Cena. Anyway, to make a long story short, this is where FreDd got the information. I requested everyone to keep their mouths shut, but it appears that he has forgotten. He has been sanctioned with a Fool Medal over there.

Sometimes, I really wanted to explain the situation when someone asked for transparancy or whatever, but shit got too real to throw around this kind of info. This story is bigger than NE and is more about my personal life, no longer any of your's business. Maybe it's better if the story is known around the community anyway, for we can never leave this chapter behind if it isn't. I want to leave this chapter. I never want anything to do with Cena again. He will not contact me and I will not contact him. The Cena topic on The New Block will never surface again. It's done.



As for K0NG... I believe he can be a very valuable member to this community, but only when he purges his posts from all the agression. Drama can be good, but in K0NG's case it damages the community. This is where the cons outweigh the pros. If he can improve his behaviour (not saying he should kiss everyone's ass at all), refrain from accusing and threatening, I'd be glad to have him in the community again. I am an admin to serve the community's interests. I don't like him, personally I condemn his actions in the past, but that's irrelevant. He's got the chance to let the pros outweigh the cons, but he hasn't used the opportunity yet. I'm still open to his return. I will not 'free' K0NG on some members' requests, even if I was able to do so. The only one who can change the situation is K0NG himself. It's his call.

Read my first sentence again. I said 'briefly'.

If this was 'brief' ,then spare me the long version.
Now serious..

Thanks for the info as well, like you said , maybe it's better this way. Especially for digesting this all.

Time to move on.

I have no regrets of telling what Cena did. I wasn't forgotten that you asked to keep it down, but I was tired of the people over here defending that douchebag (and Kong also). I do understand you wanted to keep it private but this was the only way to shutting people up and to let them know how Cena really is. Because you & I (and some of the other Dutch members) know him longer and already have seen his real face. But most of the other members over here don't.

And for Kong... never liked the guy, liked his work tough. But such an attitude, can't stand it. He & Cena in one team, it was written in the stars that that combination would cause some big incidents. Which has happened... Maybe those 2 shouldn't have been allowed in the same H2H6 team. BG, it's noticeable you've been too long under Kong's wings. Come on man, death threats are never a joke. Would you laugh if someone would say such things to you IRL? Or you would get such a message in your mailbox? Don't think so, it's easy to say it's all meant to be a joke, unless it's too late...

Posix and Liam have been real generous with those 2. I would have them kicked out way sooner.

I had a feeling there was more to Gee leaving this site other than that he thought there were more important things in life.. That's some pretty scary shit that K0NG phoned gee to say he must build more parks for his team than he was willing to. I know Darren asked the Canes members to exchange phone numbers, and he asked mine so we could have better communication for our park together, but now I hear this I'm glad I didn't give it to him

I was aware of the Cena situation as I'm also member of TNB, but I'll just say I think it's a pretty scary situation as well, and I can only praise the admins to keep the site going and not just give it up all together..

BG, now you know this, do you still think the way you were thinking at the start of this topic?

Honestly did you even read what I posted SF? I said both parties had a mix in this.. I do still believe everything got way out of hand after the banning due to the tutorials taken down, cena had his reasons and I've pmed Posix about this and that word by me is final, there was a mistake made on both ends, the fact that he couldn't explain why he took them down and the rct-guide bashing that went into that topic made him furious, I know I'd be pissed aswel not being able to defend my actions while they are actually justified... the rest was an escalation and I agree some things are over the line but had the issue been resolved directly this entire thing wouldn't have happened.

Btw the reason he took that down was because working on pixar he found a mistake in the hack and he didn't want anyone using a flawed hack causing error trappers. only to be told he's unsportive and recieving a ban for it. again I'm not defending anyone here I'm just stating what happened before the whole shitstorm. Do I agree with what happened after that, NO, from both sides looking at it idk what to think or whatever but this issue has not been only to cena and the admins, regardless of his history on guide, he came here back then for a fresh start, yes he can put it bluntly when he doesn't agree but doesn't the guy have something useful to say aswel? I mean who knows you the guide people who came here aswell took it wrong and he was actually meaning wel, but he never even recieved that chance by those guys who made him bitter AGAIN. and tbh, that isn't the fault of posix or cena, that was something both of them couldn't control.

Oh BG please quit the ''rct-guide-ex-members are evil meanies'' act alright! Yes some of us hated Cena, but I'm pretty sure most had móre than enough reason for that. Being on another forum doesn't make you less responsible for stuff you said/did to the same people on another forum, so I can understand many of us still didn't like him. Not at Guide, but not at NE either. Especially because I've seen quite a lot of the ''old'' Cena at NE as well. It's not like he was all cool and friendly all the sudden. He tried, which is admirable, but at times he failed.

Have you been active at guide in the time all that old stuff happened? I believe you weren't an active member back than, or at least not active enough to closely follow stuff, so I'm going to assume you don't know what you're talking about.

Next to that, no matter whát the kid did on NE, his grand finale in the form of a whole ránt, not just a line, but a detailed description of how he'd kill fellow members is INEXCUSABLE. Why don't you see that?...

I understand you're pissed that you didn't win H2H6 or whatever, but don't make the ex-guiders look like the bad guys. It's Cena breaking the law, as in a real-life offence, and he should be glád that a permaban is probably the only real consequence in the end. I for one never had any true beef with Cena at NE, some at guide but left that behind us, but what he did is unforgivable. If you can't see that I believe you just have to be socially distorted, or at least have a very weak social antenna. I am getting fed up with people defending what is, in theory, somewhat of a criminal by now.

Ok you've just proven my point, as for one I'm not bitter about h2h6, I'm proud of what I made and still like what I did, I didn't lose any match I was really a part of, can't say much about pebbles since I did a layout there and wasn't available during the rest of the build and where did I say that that one thing wasn't a line too far? plz direct me to it... or do you have weak verbal antenna? just because you feel targeted by what I posted doesn't mean you have any right to say what you just did and if you're always a douche like you're acting now I can understand some of cena's sentiments since you've been a really great help and active member that has always been the best person you could be here, oh wait... only thing you've ever done here that I have notion of is dissing people just because you can, how is that in any way any different of what you accuse others of?

The fact you want him back shows that you apparently think it's a line that once crossed is still possible to be crossed back. So your actions imply that you don't find that he's severely out of line, at least not to the level I see it, otherwise you'd agree with his ban. That simple.

I don't have any right to attack you on your behavior? You've been freaking demonizing the whole ex-guide community throughout this and multiple topics, some 5 years after that site got abandoned. What point have I proven? That I don't let you generalize about me and others and piss on us because of what community we came from? That I find it shallow and inproper to attack an entire group? If so I'm glad I've proven that.

If you've only seen me dissing people than you should pay attention. I try to help up and coming members/players wherever possible with tips, even if those are harsh. Maybe I dare say what others don't because I'd rather have someone in prove than have someone like me, yes, but I don't see the problem in that. Only yesterday I gave a 'harsh' comment the builder it was aimed at seemed to appreciate a great deal.

Really, if you want to target individuals then do so. But don't target an entire group. And especially not if you cannot take it when one fights back.

Shall we just agree to disagree, 'cause we're clearly on different levels here. You can have the last word/rant/whatever but for now I'm fed up with your attitude, so I'll just leave it be. As long as I'm just a nasty rct-guide-ex-member to you, instead of an individual NE-member, we have nothing to say to each other... I'm not looking for any issues with you, but it pisses me off you indirectly judge me (as an ''rct-guider'') whithout knowing my role in any of this. I don't like those generalizations man, so please don't. If you want to be pissed at someone, than say his name, or don't say it at all.