H2H2 / The Icons vs. The Blue Meanies

You say it's messy, but if there was a ReadMe describing the inspiration and theming, you'd totally understand.

I voted Isomania. Very very tough vote!
I think the atmosphere of it was absolutely amazing, same for "clown". The landscaping was also far better than Erwindale's and I loved those new RCT2 musics. Of course, that isn't really a reason to vote for it... I know.

What I didn't like about Erwindale was it's layout... really, I think that was horrible. I loved to see all the effort that has gone into this park. I guess my major problem is that to me it isn't really creative anymore...
it's just cramped with rides over and over with no real 'theme' or 'feel' coming out. The usage of rides as themes is simply overdone in my opinion and building differently doesn't mean being creative.
Apart from that, I'm getting a little tired of "Split-coasters" honestly... sure it was nice to see it once or twice but people are making Pawn's SpiltCoaster like Nevis' Giga... and Gigas already got annoying, didn't they ?
Iris could get mad again for people forgetting about staying anonymous I mean... doesn't Erwindale just shout in your face that "I was made by......" ?
Anyway,
hope I didn't offend those who put that much effort into Erwindale.
Nice round!

Just to show you how little control I have over my team, I have no fucking clue who made our park this round. Aren't I pitiful? Nor have I even seen it, because my RCT2 is completely, totally fucked (and I can't find that damn CD!).

But judging from the screens, I know I'd vote for us, so I did. The other one is just really, ugly. As has been said we had good path interaction, landscaping and the like.

I'll go look at the competion's though, just to make sure. I promise to be honest in my judging of it... and I promise to despise it no matter what... simultaneously!

Now, can somebody tell me who made it (the Blue Meanies park)? Through AIM or even in the Blue Meanies forums, it's all good.

erwindale by far
best rct1 minipark to date....

well done guys sum great hacks in their

I guess my major problem is that to me it isn't really creative anymore...

I love the way that you say none of these are creative:


[*]Full scale trees made from coasters and scenery, with treehouses

[*]Bushes and other scenery placed around path edges to make it overgrown

[*]Roots leading from trees (dead AND living)

[*]A living tree with arms and eyes and a coaster splitting through it

[*]A split coaster that doesn't have symmetrical split parts, doesn't follow a set formula and obviously has a real theme behind it

And yet a park that is mainly path, jagged rocks and water with around 10 buildings is your idea of creative.

I fail to understand, really.

I like Isomania, and it is nice in its own pretty boring way. It has none of the things Erwindale has going for it.

But I guess all I can say is well done Icons and I think we should win because i'm part of the team.

I'm sorry but I can't hold back any longer. Basically what I'm hearing is that Erwindale is bad because it had too many good ideas to fit into a 50 x 50 map and ended up looking crowded. Oh yeah, and there's no huge lake in the middle. Of course it's crowded, it's supposed to be crowded. It's in the middle of the forest. Are there walkways in the forest? No. That's why they are filled in with overgrowth. No theme? No theme?! Tree-fall wasn't subtle enough for you? Swing-a long-Tree. Hmmm. And please somebody tell me what is wrong with the layout other than "it is horrible". I'm sorry to be such a bastard but none of your comments make sense to me and I'd at least like to know why you think a rollercoaster and a scattering of trees impresses you more.

I love the way that you say none of these are creative:


[*]Full scale trees made from coasters and scenery, with treehouses

[*]Bushes and other scenery placed around path edges to make it overgrown

[*]Roots leading from trees (dead AND living)

[*]A living tree with arms and eyes and a coaster splitting through it

[*]A split coaster that doesn't have symmetrical split parts, doesn't follow a set formula and obviously has a real theme behind it

And yet a park that is mainly path, jagged rocks and water with around 10 buildings is your idea of creative.

I fail to understand, really.

I like Isomania, and it is nice in its own pretty boring way. It has none of the things Erwindale  has going for it.

But I guess all I can say is well done Icons and I think we should win because i'm part of the team.

I think your quote is a little too short and you know why
I explained why I don't think it's creative anymore... it's just cramped with rides as theming (imho).
Probably it's because we two have different opinions on what is creative and what isn't. I'd say, creative is when you make tabu-colours or tabu-stuff in general good looking.
I felt as if the park wasn't really planned or anything... just using various rides as theming and do alot of hacking doesn't make you creative... rather ... someone who has fun with experimenting.

hmm, maybe I'm wrong...
Didn't mean to make you mad or anything though... I got unsure about the whole thing... sorry

Oh you couldn't be more wrong. My cover is blown obviously at this point, and this won't change anything I guess but the whole map was drawn out first on paper. I even drew the treehouses exactly as they look in the game. If you looked at the picture I drew of the map before I started and the park now, the layout is exactly the same. I even drew most of the coaster layout beforehand. I drew the entry area down to where the bushes would go and where the gazebos are. The rides as theming were not thrown in haphazardly, they all had a purpose and were all there from the conceptual stage. Basically the point is, this map was probably more pre-planned than any park ever made. I guess you explained why you don't like it, to you it looks chaotic. Well it wasn't but if it looks that way I suppose that's something we should have worked on more...

well were winnin by a long stretch so it doesn't matter
We know erwindale is better so um yeh......lets stop bitchin

[continues propaganda]

The best H2H minipark ever. The atmosphere, the theming, the rides, amazing!

[/propaganda]

hey
Mantis u make it sound as if erwindale is 10x better lol.
which it deffinatly isent.

in my opinion both parks are pretty darn good. the coaster in insomnia is alot more to my liking and i can't stand the custom tree thing in erwindale. but erwindale has the overgrown paths and insomnia's coaster does have a dodgy block brake after the roll.

it was close one for me but i eventually went erwindale.

At least you've given good reasons!

I think the problem here is that people are too conservative. Too many coaster pieces and too much novelty is scary. Poor people. Really. I can only suggest that you all look at the park for what it is, and try and forget all the other parks you've seen. The detail, the effort, the innovation are, frankly, unmatched.

Actually, to me, Erwindale was more then 10X better.
Now, please realize I'm not saying this just because it's my team. I believe that Horstmann Labratories was a better mini then Elfwood, it deserved a win.

But I fail to see where the comparison even starts. And I'm not sure why, but the fact that Chauncey Gardner likes his own park better then ours really surprises me honestly, because he always complains that everything looks the same at NE, but when someone goes out on a limb with an incredibly creative minipark, filled with controlled shrubbery and great architecture (sounds similar to his Sea World park), and a very creative and well executed coasters...he opts for the generic 'same ol' thing. A mini filled with jagged rocks on one side and water on the other, and two rides. I think Chauncey really contradicted himself by saying this. I mean, you just went on a rant saying how you should start your own site where parks would be "good". Yet you say you would rather have a park filled with jagged rocks, water, and one coaster then one that was very indetailed, creative as hell, and very different.

I think that most people are looking at Erwindale from the wrong perspective.
I guess that most people just don't think you can fit an entire storyline/themed park into an rct1 mini. I know for a fact that I used to look at minis different from normal parks, not with the same importance, but Erwindale changed my mind. This is in my opinion, easily the best RCT1 Mini I've ever seen. Much better then Streets of New York, Tales of Camelott, etc.

I do realize we have more then twice as many votes or something by now, but the way the posts have gone it seems like everyone is giving some incredibly awful reasons for liking IsoMania more.

I have to chime in here again. I spent hours last night marveling over Erwindale and have to say I think it is by far the most creative RCT1 mini I've ever seen. The level of creativity and detail are truly unmatched. It looks crowded because it is supposed to damnit. Crowded forest overgrown with vegetation. It really is incredible imo. Isomania was a decent mini park that could have contended in some of the battles so far, but there is no way it measures up to Erwindale. Coaster Ed...this is a masterpiece, be proud of it and don't let the conservative unimaginitive peeps out there get to you.

The words of the Chinese philospher Han Fei Tzu (I'm taking an East Asian Ethical Studies class as a GE this semester):
"But really, the intelligence of the people is like a baby."

The park has shown more creativity than any other in the past year, at least. Those who say it's not creative are idiots. Plain and simple. I rarely openly flame like this, but it's the truth. If you cannot see the genius in this, even after Ed explained the idea, you really have an infected view of "creativity."

You have an extremely solid split coaster that dueled nicely (not perfect, but pretty close). You have interactive theming like the Grandfather tree. You have tree houses, overgrown roots, gnarled trunks, and a fairy-like atmosphere.

Imagine yourself in an ancient overgrown forest. Towering old trees, bent with age, loom overhead while their groping roots spill out from the ground, reaching across the paths. An extinct civilization, long ago, built a village here, carving the abodes out of the then-living vegetation itself, though over time, these buildings have worn away. Now, there are only the ruins to remind visitors of the echoes of the far past. The site sits in eerie silence, only occasionally punctated by the shriek of two elemental spirits that reside here.

Welcome to Erwindale Forest.

Corky - make that three! The lightning faeries want their say too

ok, since the "anonymous" thing TOTALLY got spilled by Toontowner (j/k, ud have to be a real dumb fuck to not know) i feel jsut as inclined to reply (*cough*)

imo, Erwindale WAS way better. it seems odd but i totally love this park. it´s original, it looks a bit cluttered but apart from that it looks awesome. the coaster was near perfect, and unlike any other split coaster as it was simply nice, good, awesome, and all that other crap u seem to have been praising is just utter crap. Hacks are nice when made looked good, otherwise i hate them. so goes for a lot of hacks that are praised but i wont be dissing to much of them so i wont get flamed.

HOWEVER, Iso Mania was nice in it´s own, and VERY different way. It wasn´t filled. but it packed a lot of atmosphere imo, used new ride music, and didn´t contain many "mistakes".. and the block brake.. was done on purpose. the coaster was original, tho NO replies in favor of Iso Mania noticed this which i find very odd. the Deja Vu type coaster normally doesnt work on block brakes, and id like to thank chauncey for figuring that nice thing out. However im gonna stop here not to sound too big headed and come across to my next point.

I despise the fact iris is taking such an extreme standing. AND HE´S WINNING for chrissake... i allready detested the fact what he did with the last round by keeping it open, and THANK GOD that pufferfish won. I did notice when he posted his thoughts, he has a lot of followers that time.. I absolutely detest people following the boss, but imo, as it is an anonymous competition where you don´t get granted that extra bonus as a parkmaker or for ur name in general, should you for being on team iris? imo, no. Iris should know better imo then to misuse his power in such a way. He´s the only one that said one was clearly better, especially in such a long dialogue, which imo shows a bit of immaturity. Don´t take this too wrongly now, but most posts consist of "i like that one i voted for that one" or "these are both good, had a hard time, but i voted for that one in the end". And complaining on what Chauncey likes and dislikes is again something where i fail to draw a conclusion that it´s his bussiness. Chauncey for one has always liked my parks and although this one is bare, MAYBE it still has that bit of Evil WME style in there, hidden somewhere?

now let´s get back to the parks, and let people say and vote on who THEY think is best, not what you think about your own park, or ur teammates, or even just the one u think is best in general.

Is Iris not allowed to voice his opinion like Ed, Toon, Corky, Me and others have?

Poor him, I thought that seeing as he's the main figure of this community he'd be allowed to state his feelings.

WME - i'm glad you like the park, but I think you're reacting in the wrong way.

Anyway, I just hope people don't get pissed off with each other totally, because it's not worth it.

What do you mean I gave it away....look a few posts up where Ed says he made the park Besides you would have to be daft to not figure it out.

Jeez people, is this really worth the bitching?

I mean, come on, if someone liked IM or if somone like EF and you didn't, is it really your place to argue with their decision because you didn't like what they voted for?

No.

And serioulsy, come on, it's just a fucking game. Since when did RCT become a competition for ranks?

Now, I know this is H2H2, but come on. Just stfu about what other people think, and just worry about what you think.

-Pym-