RCT Discussion / J K Wins RCT Survivor II

Wow, kong, REALLY man?

Wow, kong.

Just drop it please.

This is SO awesome! Sign me up for Survivor III already!

Do you think if we argued this enough we could get this to court? Like.. that's a serious thought that popped into my mind, how cool would that be?!

Like J K said, it was ordered teal first and then yellow, but also said that the colors should be like Kumba's. He read the colors they were supposed to be from left to right, like they do in the english language, and the colors ended up like those on Kumba, but not identical to the colors used on Kumba. I think dr dirt and J K should be given this one, even though I DO see where MA's coming from.

Order matters. The fact that it's written one way and the reader confuses them doesn't make it so, and changes the meaning. Case in point, draw me a flag that's orange, white, and green.

Ireland:


Ivory Coast:


Or how about green, red, and yellow with a five pointed star in the middle?

Senegal:


Cameroon:


If you didn't know what country you were talking about, it wouldn't matter what order you put the colours in. But because you said Ireland, or the Ivory Coast, or Kumba, the order does matter.

Ivory Coast's flag is a lot like Ireland's.

6+3=9
3+6=9

9 is like 9

6+3*9=33
6*3+9=27

What's your point? a^2 + b^2 = c^2, too.

Either way, Liampie, I clearly showed that the opposite colour schemes are not as similar as 9 and 9 in the pictures.

What's your point?

The point is... there is no point!

The point is... there is no point!

True. I know Kumba won't over turn it. I'm just having fun arguing it.

That's a great point, MA, and I do totally see what you're saying there with both your math problems and your flag examples, but as you said "order matters"

change the color of the coaster train from black/black to teal/yellow (like on Kumba).

Black/black is technically in order, even though it's the same color. Teal/yellow is in the same order as black/black is, the first color comes as the main color on the train body while the second in the interior. So, while you made the colors of the train identical to Kumba's, you also happened to misorder the colors of the train in accordance to what Kumba said in the initial challange post. J K's and dirt's colors were like Kumba's AND they were in order, but the colors were not identical to those of Kumba's trains. Identical was stated nowhere in the challenge criteria.

See what I'm sayin' here? This is a fun argument, by the way.

That's a great point, MA, and I do totally see what you're saying there with both your math problems and your flag examples, but as you said "order matters"



Black/black is technically in order, even though it's the same color. Teal/yellow is in the same order as black/black is, the first color comes as the main color on the train body while the second in the interior. So, while you made the colors of the train identical to Kumba's, you also happened to misorder the colors of the train in accordance to what Kumba said in the initial challange post. J K's and dirt's colors were like Kumba's AND they were in order, but the colors were not identical to those of Kumba's trains. Identical was stated nowhere in the challenge criteria.

See what I'm sayin' here? This is a fun argument, by the way.

Yes, I see what you're saying. I've been arguing that there was a correct answer to the challenge, while your point is that there is not. If it is as you said, then you can't simultaneously fulfill both criteria or the contest. If there is no correct answer, then there can't be a winner.

Ah, but see, I define like to be "close to or near the original" while you're defining it to mean "identical to" or "the same as." I'm not sure what Kumba really meant when he posted the challenge, so I suppose this whole argument is a matter of perspective.

I read "like" in Kumba's post in simile form; using like or as to compare two things. So really, the rules of the contest are all interpreted based off of how you read the post.

Let's reverse the order then. Say dr dirt posted the correct colours. Then I came along with the revrsed colours and said "that one isn't similar to Kumba. It's identical. I win." What say you then? Am I still splitting hairs?

You read it as a simile after the fact to rationalize something that wasn't correct. Would you still be rationalizing it if the opposite occurred?

Speculation, splitting hairs, I OBJECT!
Your Honor, I don't have to answer this.

That's a great point, MA, and I do totally see what you're saying there with both your math problems and your flag examples, but as you said "order matters"
Black/black is technically in order, even though it's the same color. Teal/yellow is in the same order as black/black is, the first color comes as the main color on the train body while the second in the interior. So, while you made the colors of the train identical to Kumba's, you also happened to misorder the colors of the train in accordance to what Kumba said in the initial challange post. J K's and dirt's colors were like Kumba's AND they were in order, but the colors were not identical to those of Kumba's trains. Identical was stated nowhere in the challenge criteria.

See what I'm sayin' here?

The problem with that logic is this:

dr drit and J K only used that color because I put it in the wrong order.

So, Kumba admitting that he did, in fact, put it in the wrong order, along with the fact that he added "like on Kumba" shows that his intent was for it to be "yellow/teal"...like on Kumba. I'd also argue that the intended meaning of the word "like" in this case would lean more towards "the same" than "close or near". As in "look at the trains on Kumba....like that". Otherwise, there would be no point in using Kumba as a reference.
You mentioned that it would be "cool" if this were taken to court. In law, intent is an integral part of any case. If this were to be presented to a judge or jury, the fact that the obvious intent was for the trains to be re-colored the same as Kumba would, without question, result in a unanimous decision in favor of our team.

I rest my case.

I think both teams should have to eliminate

Haha, fair enough. Yeah, I'll have to agree with that logic, K0NG. You guys get this one, I'll admit it. Nicely argued.


Now the question remains, will Kumba change things the ruling on the field or reverse the play? Stay tuned for this commercial break!

Just like football, eh K0NG?

The problem with that logic is this:

So, Kumba admitting that he did, in fact, put it in the wrong order, along with the fact that he added "like on Kumba" shows that his intent was for it to be "yellow/teal"...like on Kumba. I'd also argue that the intended meaning of the word "like" in this case would lean more towards "the same" than "close or near". As in "look at the trains on Kumba....like that". Otherwise, there would be no point in using Kumba as a reference.
You mentioned that it would be "cool" if this were taken to court. In law, intent is an integral part of any case. If this were to be presented to a judge or jury, the fact that the obvious intent was for the trains to be re-colored the same as Kumba would, without question, result in a unanimous decision in favor of our team.

I rest my case.

Intent really has nothing to do with this. This isn't a murder trial.

Not yet, anyway.