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I still think the layout could be done better before adding all the scenery.

I think the scenery could use some help as well. There is no way that the barn could ever hold that roof in real life.

Why wouldn't that roof hold up DH? Any suggestions? Because a hip roof is the strongest roof there is. (I worked home construction,) So you're doing nothing but talking bullshit.

And why didn't you make suggestions on the layout, Louis? Last time you didn't like the initial drop. Then I changed it, to what everybody said to change it to... and you still didn't like it. You talk a lot of bullshit too.

I don't want to see either of you back here again. Because you don't make suggestions to improve. You just bash the work for no good reason if to just pass off bullshit for knowledge. So the both of you can get lost.

Are you not planning to add custom supports? They'd greatly improve the look of this imo.

Unless there is an actual building with solid walls under there that I just can't see, there is no way physically that thing would hold with just the wooden fences as support. Also, looking at Bing maps, you don't have the fences right anyway. Part of the game is learning how to implement things on your own based on people's suggestions. For instance, nin mentioned something about lack of privacy for one of my hotels, I went in game, and trial and errored until I got something I liked. You're 54 right? Sorry about your disabilities and all, but seriously this is the internet. Grow the heck up man.

If it's "supposed" to be a fence, then why is it a virtical surface texture in black & brown? Because it's a wall... That's why. Land tiles are not pulled up to make fences. Land tiles are pulled up to make walls. How did you get so turned around?

You definatly expect too much out of this cheap, stupid, game.

Are you not planning to add custom supports? They'd greatly improve the look of this imo.

Yes. I have been looking for a couple B&M support parts in my objects collection. I finally found them, and I'm trying to find room to include them in the bench.

And why didn't you make suggestions on the layout, Louis? Last time you didn't like the initial drop. Then I changed it, to what everybody said to change it to... and you still didn't like it. You talk a lot of bullshit too.

Ummm...I think you'll find that i've given my opinion on the layout the whole way through.

i think if you're going to treat the people who take the time to comment on your work like that, you can fuck off. ever considered that their help may be helpful? didn't think so.

What land tiles pulled up? I know I have poor vision, but I really don't see what you are talking about. All I see are white fences, brown dirt path, and blue roof. Plus I think the barn roof would match better in teal/aqua anyway. Lastly, if you are going for scale with this, the barn's dimensions are width=w, length=~3w

What white fences? Are you talking about the entrance gate? Or the barn for Montu? (The last image was of Montu, so naturally, I thought that was what you were talking about.) For the love of GOD! We're arguing over two different structures. Really smart/mature DH. Comment on something without telling anyone which structure you're talking about. What am I? A fucking mindreader? What a doorknob!

The structure that you commented on, (now that I know what the fuck you're talking about...)was originally a stable for the Clydesdale Horses, the horses used in the Budwieser commercials? So there are a lot of stalls inside, not that I bothered to create them.

So there would/should be a lot of tall vertical walls inside. More than enough to support a tin metal roof.

I mentioned this before... (If you read the topic around the earlier images that show the structure, you might find it.) I swapped the location of the barn so it can be the gate to the park, because it was a feature I liked, and it was original to the area of the park.

(BELOW) This is what IS seen at about the same POV angle as in RCT... as you view the structure using Bing maps...



(BELOW) This is what you might see if you use Google Earth, using the Street View camera icons...



You can see that there is a lot of overhang to the roof. And that the parimeter of the roof is supported by poles, set fairly wide apart. And the fencing is actually free standing away from the poles. (I didn't have fencing that matched up with the real McCoy, as a 1/4 tile version.) So things got nipped & tucked. I did use poles BTW. And by the view of Bing, the recreation of the fence & poles is fairly spot on.

Since the walls were located pretty deep under the shallow roof, they couldn't be seen. And if you can't see it. I don't include it. Why put in the work if it can't be seen?

Ummm...I think you'll find that i've given my opinion on the layout the whole way through.

Louis

Every once in a while, people have to be placed on the right track. So don't be upset with me as I'm trying to nudge you in the right direction...

Opinions and comments are the same thing. A comment just state an opinion about something. Comments don't make suggestions on what to do to make improvements. Here's an example of a comment or opinion...

"That window doesn't look right to me."

Notice that it doesn't say anything about the window, such as which window, it's color, location, or style. It "just doesn't look right". And that's useless. However, if the comment went something like this...

"The window next to the door should match the trim, it's too low and you should use the type with the shutters instead."

Now that's making constructive suggestions, known as a "criteque". It's helpful, it makes several suggestions for improvement, you know exactly which window is the subject, and it's what everyone really wants to hear when they're looking for help.

Taking one of your comments of "That drop looks painful" isn't really a suggestion. It's a comment on an observation, and it offers nothing in the way of advice on what to do to improve the track design. It does say that the drop needs to be changed. But falls short when it comes to "in what manner does it need to be changed?"

Yes. You have left a lot of comments and opinions. But those are useless without making suggestions that focus on those comments and opinions.

Do you see what I'm getting at? Do you understand what other people are looking for now? If you're going to leave input, make it worthwhile. Make it worth leaving on a topic, make it worth reading, make it worth it for the other person to make changes, and make it worth other people to learn from.

I've made suggestions, all of which were ignored. I'd quote them here to add proof, but there isnt any real point.


All I was trying to say is that it would be much better to perfect the track first, before moving onto the scenery, because now, you've still got a pretty bad track, but you've started adding the scenery, so you can't change anything, and the track will always look awful, which will bring the whole design down, because of the awful trackwork.

[sarcasm]You know what? you are absolutely right. I know absolutely nothing and you know everything about RCT. You should be crowned the RCT God. [/sarcasm]

As for the confusion, I said barn, not station. It's fairly simple to realize the difference, but once again your arrogance got in the way. Take a look again at that picture, Wolfman and compare the white fences to your screen. It goes = === =====, yours goes ==== = ====. Also, I don't see any "hips" on the side of the barn where you have them. If you are going to make a recreation, you should know that people are going to be EXTREMELY critical, even with the games limitations. I think I am being fairly mature about this. You are the one that has to take up half a page to explain to me why what I said is obviously wrong, even if it's not.

EDIT: [immature mode] What is a criteque? [/immature] Here is an example of constructive criticism on someone's writing "I think your concept is great, but I found some grammatical concerns in your writing. It may be beneficial to re-read what you wrote, and think about how an outside person would read and interpret this." Nowhere did the person point out where the grammatical concerns were. You don't learn much by getting spoonfed, which is basically what you are asking for.

Wolfman, there's a very definite line between defending your work and attacking those who are critiquing it. You're treading it.

Speaking of that barn, though, the roof is very different architecturally in real life vs. your version. Biggest issue is the proportions caused by the roof angles, but your dormers are placed incorrectly. (And in the case of what are IRL half-moon dormers, they're too large and too few.)

-ACE

Was Montu recently painted purple or am I missing something here?

Was Montu recently painted purple or am I missing something here?

The "Community" doesn't like the blue that came with RCT, so they use the indigo instead.

I always thought THIS was purple...



And that this was dark blue...



These colors are close enough and that pretty much all I care about... other than the supports I've been working on.





Dark Horse & Louis...
Get used to it. I don't take other people's BS sitting down. And you both already know this. I defend my thoughts, my actions. I have reasons for why I do things in RCT. I see it as explaing myself. YOU see it as being argumentative. You are both wrong. And you don't hear that often enough as far as I'm concerned.

If you don't like that I will not simply give into your suggestions or lay down and play possum, then you have some growing up to do. You will not always get your way with me. PERIOD. That's the way it is in life, and that's the way it is with me. If you don't like it, then that's tough. Go to some other topic and boss someone else around. You're not going to do that here and you're definatly not going to do that with me.

I will not change jack shit just because you guys say so. You have to convince me that your way is better. And taking under consideration of the bickering you guys give me, you fail to make yourselves clear on any point enough to make me want to change anything. Other than the fact that you like to fight hard enough to force someone to make changes.

This is the last time I'm going to ask you two to leave this topic. I'm throwing you both out of here. Go be a pest to someone else. I'm tired of looking at and reading your degrading and self inflated posts from the both of you. You may have experience, but you lack the ability to act and present yourselves as a pro builder.

It looks to me from the pictures that the supports are closer to white than the tan brown

Dark Horse & Louis...
Get used to it. I don't take other people's BS sitting down. And you both already know this. I defend my thoughts, my actions. I have reasons for why I do things in RCT. I see it as explaing myself. YOU see it as being argumentative. You are both wrong. And you don't hear that often enough as far as I'm concerned.

I wasnt ever saying you were arguing. And I wasnt actually even giving you bullshit, for some reason i've been caught up in some sort of disagreement with you and not for the first time!

If you don't like that I will not simply give into your suggestions or lay down and play possum, then you have some growing up to do. You will not always get your way with me. PERIOD. That's the way it is in life, and that's the way it is with me. If you don't like it, then that's tough. Go to some other topic and boss someone else around. You're not going to do that here and you're definatly not going to do that with me.

I never stated you should put my suggestions in, I couldn't care less what you did with your work. I was merely suggesting some things that I thought would make your project better, whether you want to take these on board or not is entirely up to you, i'm not that bothered, and a lot of the time my suggestions were the same as others, but i'm the one getting caught up in this discussion? I havent bossed you around. I really dont know where you have gotten that from.

I will not change jack shit just because you guys say so. You have to convince me that your way is better. And taking under consideration of the bickering you guys give me, you fail to make yourselves clear on any point enough to make me want to change anything. Other than the fact that you like to fight hard enough to force someone to make changes.

I never said you should. And I think I have made myself clear with all my suggestions, and the only bickering I've given you is recently as i've felt i've had to defend my comments.

This is the last time I'm going to ask you two to leave this topic. I'm throwing you both out of here. Go be a pest to someone else. I'm tired of looking at and reading your degrading and self inflated posts from the both of you. You may have experience, but you lack the ability to act and present yourselves as a pro builder.

I fail to see where I have been a pest, except for replying to these comments, but that is just defending myself, the same as you have done. Not a single one of my posts have been degrading or self inflated, not in this topic or anywhere else on this website. I may have experience, and i'm actually trying to use that experience to help you improve this park and I've never tried to present myself as a pro builder, so i'm glad that I lack that ability.

I really dont understand why I've had to defend myself, i've never been nasty to you in this topic just left my suggestions and comments, the same as others have. But oh well.

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Moving onto the actual park. The dark purple colour is fine. I'd maybe change the rail colour to something other than grey, because in that shot they seem to be the same colour as the actual track.

Also I agree with walto, maybe try the pale yellow for the supports, the tan is too brown and slightly too dark, the supports in real life seem more yellow.

Wolfman, I don't get what your problem is, Louis and DH are just giving tips on how to improve, there is no reason to be such a dick about it, let alone to try and throw them out of this topic.
Back to the screens, I think you DO need to take a good look at the layout before you start theming, because once the theming is in place, you can't change the layout without having to do the whole thing all over again.
And I don't like those blue roofs you use, because they have no texture at all. Try to use roofs with more texture, so it looks less plastic.

It also looks as if the track is entirely blue? The first B&M to have the rails painted was Riddler and that wasn't until after Montu.