RCT Discussion / Winning Real Money Playing RCT

How is it stupid to want money Tim?

Sorry, don't worry about it. Too long of a post. I just hate money...

And see where we are today because of the whole selfish system.

http://www.guardian....ark-boyle-money

do that and report back

Sorry, don't worry about it. Too long of a post. I just hate money...

And see where we are today because of the whole selfish system.

the money isnt the problem tim.
the problem will always be with the people.
and that why it impossible to attempt things like Zietgiest (sorry SV, first thing that came to mind )
your heart is in the right place, and so will many others, but there will still be the people that cant hack it.
imagine a world without money; it wouldnt happen.
it was theorised with good intentions, fair distribution of trade, but it fell apart.


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i wouldnt accept the money, cause im baddass.

http://www.guardian....ark-boyle-money

do that and report back

that asshole stole my last name.

it was theorised with good intentions, fair distribution of trade, but it fell apart.

Like communism. Hooray for communism! Boo for dictators!

Id love to play rct as a job,who wouldnt? I dont understand why people are saying they wouldn't accept prize money because it 'greedy'.Do you live in the real world?

^ I think it's just a matter of who's paying. If it was money from out of the pockets of Iris, Posix or Geewhzz I might feel guilty, since that sort of prize money is ultimately just to support the community, but if it was from a corporation like Hasbro/Infogrames/Atari or Kumba I'd be all for it.

or Kumba I'd be all for it.

That is funny. 


But I still stand my point, I don't want money for playing a videogame. 

Yeah I'm a bit like Xcoaster, if it was someone offering the money out of their own pockets just to sustain a contest or anything like that, money that they may need or rather do but are only offering to help fuel interest, then I'd turn the money down, I wouldn't want to put someone out of pocket. I'd happily accept money from someone who is loaded or some corporation though as I know they aren't going to miss the prize money, at the end of the day I would feel guilty about taking money from someone who doesn't have all that much anyways.

I won't start another Zeitgeist discussion in here, but I wonder why you are so sure it wouldn't work sam. I say that whatever causes people to say "but we can't just stop using money" is caused by money, nothing else whatsoever. Grow up in an environment free from money and you won't miss it a second, I guarantee you.

money will find its way back.
as a species, we kinda want to be fair, and trade will take place.
then objects of value will start to be exchanged,
and money will return.

But if we through the abolishing of money are able to create a world were truly everyone has the same living conditions, and where nothing is being "sold" to you, meaning that no one will tell you what you should buy (advertising), you won't have the same need to own stuff. Though if there's anything you want, you're free to obtain it. You won't actually own it, but it will be available to you whenever you want. In a system like that, there is nothing to be won by reincorporating money. Even if you went and printed a bill, it would be nothing worth. What would you pay for, if everthing's free? Money is just an arbitrary system, we've agreed that a hundred bucks is worth so and so much. It's by no means caused by some natural law, or how we are as a species. Money just happened, it was convenient for a while but now we need something else. Sorry for straying OT, though we're still in the field of economics, lol. If everything worked like this, this topic wouldn't even exist.

Edited by Splitvision, 13 November 2009 - 05:47 PM.

It would cost money to abolish money .

Which is another thing, I'll never understand why certain things have to be paid for. For example I don't understand why the government would need to pay for say bridge to be built which would ease up things. There is an unlimited amount of money, any money they need to pay for things like that could just be printed for that sole reason. I understand how everyone else works but I just don't get it...

I think I said things I didn't mean there but I can't be bothered to re-read it .

Edited by JJ, 13 November 2009 - 06:07 PM.

... I know how to solve that. Use ALL the money in the world to the abolishing of it Now that would be interesting.

You say saying that if I want an awesome computer I could get that one for free? Money works on the base of trade. We can only trade for things we have, if we don't have say a piece of corn, and the person who has a piece of corn wants an apple for it, but we don't have an apple but those who have apples want a playstation but we don't have that then we are screwed. We'd all have to produce something ourselves and maybe making 100's of different trades just so we could make one. We don't have the skill to make everything we need or want. It is simply trade. Money is something we can all have to trade. We can't all produce our own food, our own entertainment or anything, money is simply there for trade and as we all have access to money, it's the perfect solution.

The more scarce and demanded a product is, the more valuable it is. You realize they burn food crops in order to increase the price? I really don't understand how one could defend a system where such indescribably dumb things are allowed, even couraged, to happen. If we didn't burn the crops, we would easily have enough food to feed the entire world, if everyone ate a sensible amount of food, unlike the average American. I'm not saying farmers should work all day to provide the whole world with food for nothing. I'm saying that if we don't have to take money into the equation, we could easily automate the food production completely, with the technology we have today. Such a proposal is of course not well met in todays system, that would mean all the farmers would lose their income. The more I think of it, the less sense money makes to me. The consequence of money is that anything that generates income is acceptable, and this leads to the many injustices all over the world.

Edited by Splitvision, 13 November 2009 - 06:43 PM.

Do you really expect the human race to give things they spend away for free for nothing in exchange, I'm sorry but most people will not just give for nothing in return, that's not how we work. We are a naturally greedy species and if we've put effort in to something and hard work why should we give it away for absolutely nothing in return except for feeling good... The world cannot be based 100% on charity. So 100 computers are made, how do you decide who gets the best one? There has to be a way to distinguish between people who gets what, on a random basis is unfair as someone else may need something more urgently over another... If we all got things for free, what on earth would be the point in working? Nothing would get done, We would have no motivation. Our buildings wouldn't get built, why should we build buildings for other people to benefit from if we are going to get nothing in return, oh okay we get a computer, oh I don't want a computer, okay you get xxx, not everyone is gonna work the same way. Everyone would need a reward but what is the point in this reward when theycan actually get this reward for free by doing nothing? Noone would work, nothing, the world would come to a halt.

visit this link and read the introduction, it will have solutions to most of your statements. I never said we should work for free, I said we should free people from the slavery that is daily labour by automatization. That would of course not make sense if money isn't abolished. I you think about it, if we never stop using money, there will be an absolute limit to the possible amount of automatization. The only reason we can't automatize 80% of all labour right now, is because if we do, everyone loses their income and then the economic system is certain to fail, lol. The remaining 20% we don't yet have the technique to automate but we will soon, I'd say at most 15 years (you have to consider I'm only thinking about available technology, not how much it costs. We're much further than the electronics stores suggests, only it's too expensive.) But if we did automate it all, would there be any point in using money? People would have time, all their life, but no money. So why use it? And I can understand why you say people are greedy. It's a consequence of capitalism. In fact, not being so is counterinitiative to the whole economic system. We're not born greedy though. It all has to do with the environment you grow up in.

And motivation. If you see the possibilities that a system such as the one described in the link I provided gives, that would not be a problem. In fact, people would be more motivated than they are today. Too many people do things only because it pays them to do so.

I could ramble on about this for several pages, as I really think I, or otherwise another follower of the zeigiest movement/the venus project, have an answer to all your doubts but if you want to discuss it further we should maybe continue by using PM's lol.

Sorry OP.

Btw, I hate money just as much as you do but I simply just cannot visualise a working world without it. The only way I could do that is if we all lived a simple life but there's no way everyone would take that step back.

I love money.