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Gay people aren't allowed to believe in god?

A) I am wrong about them choosing gayness, which seems incredibly unlikely,
They realize what they are doing is wrong! Good job guys! I'd be happy to counsel any gay man who wants to be straight, as long as for the first little while we could talk through a fence, I wouldn't want you to lose control.

A is correct. Well done. It's only wrong in the eyes of the people and someone already gave me a passage in the bible. So don't need that thanks It doesn't once mention that being gay is wrong, all it says is that gay men will not be allowed in to heaven. Counselling wouldn't work anyways, they'd just be lieing to themselves.

http://www.fanpop.co.../results/132927

93% then.

And also Kevin as one person mentions. Why would gay people choose to be part of a minority group with so much hatred towards them by people like you?

"Even if gays get all the other rights, they should not be allowed EVER to have children

jj

You Fuckin Prick!, gays can be parents just as good as
any fuckin body else! My freind was adopted and as gay parents and hes fine, hes not gay, he has a girl freind! So just SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Gay people aren't allowed to believe in god?

A) I am wrong about them choosing gayness, which seems incredibly unlikely,
They realize what they are doing is wrong! Good job guys! I'd be happy to counsel any gay man who wants to be straight, as long as for the first little while we could talk through a fence, I wouldn't want you to lose control.

A is correct. Well done. It's only wrong in the eyes of the people and someone already gave me a passage in the bible. So don't need that thanks It doesn't once mention that being gay is wrong, all it says is that gay men will not be allowed in to heaven. Counselling wouldn't work anyways, they'd just be lieing to themselves.

http://www.fanpop.co.../results/132927

93% then.

And also Kevin as one person mentions. Why would gay people choose to be part of a minority group with so much hatred towards them by people like you?

JJ, this is all irrelevent. Everyone knows that people can't be trusted to make decisions for themselves. The Church has to tell them what to do.

Stop being such a sinner.




Oh, and Kev, I have to give you credit for the AIDS comment. I chuckled a bit, considering how pissed off you have us all, and then throwing that guy in there? brilliant use of baiting. And you got a few bites out of it, too.

Though I am going to have to question why you want Confederate merchandise. You'd probably have to give me a good reason why I shouldn't think of you as racist for owning it? You don't live in America, you dont live in the South... So you don't have any family connections to it. So you agree with their messages then...?

marsh, JJ is gay. why would he say that about his own sexuality? (those weren't his words)

Though I am going to have to question why you want Confederate merchandise. You'd probably have to give me a good reason why I shouldn't think of you as racist for owning it? You don't live in America, you dont live in the South... So you don't have any family connections to it. So you agree with their messages then...?

Obviously he supports high treason against the United States.

-ACE

lets arrest/execute him. please.

marsh, JJ is gay. why would he say that about his own sexuality? (those weren't his words)

gwazi

well then im derecting it to the fucking asshole who DID say it

mkay. now i agree with you.

I seriously dont know what the big deal is about gays getting married? A kid at school said " Its not right, they just fuck eac other and dont care about love" and thats not true at all,
there just like a normal married couple would be, they care about eachother, probably more than men-women relationships since theres more devorces than ever now, no more happy familys, just get people getting married 5 times! For instance, my parents fight constantly, i dont even know how there still together.
For some older members out there, when you where a kid, do you remember any coulples getting divorced? Any daily fights?
Gays have every right to be together, so people should stop saying that marrige is "sacrad" Realy? You think that? Maby it was along time ago but now its just fucked up.
So its alright for a straight drunk coulple to get a drive-through weding in Vegas, but not a gay coulple who actaly CARE about eachother?

Edited by marsh, 06 November 2008 - 09:39 PM.

I want to address one thing you said, FullMetal:

"You fail to realize that what you think is right, is not right to another individual."

It seems to me you're doing the same thing. You're right, not everybody believes the same thing or the same values, but as the results of the election show, obviously a majority of Californians share their views on the subject.

Also, I'm just throwing this thought out there, but the law doesn't stop gays from marrying someone of the opposite sex. I mean their rights aren't completely stripped as some of you seem to think.

-disneylhand

that's like like saying.

Someone who is allergic to nuts wants milk but there's no milk so he can have nuts.

A is correct. Well done. It's only wrong in the eyes of the people and someone already gave me a passage in the bible. So don't need that thanks /> It doesn't once mention that being gay is wrong, all it says is that gay men will not be allowed in to heaven. Counselling wouldn't work anyways, they'd just be lieing to themselves.

http://www.fanpop.co.../results/132927

93% then.

And also Kevin as one person mentions. Why would gay people choose to be part of a minority group with so much hatred towards them by people like you?

-If you don't go to Heaven, chances are you did something wrong. You may not've, but everyone sins, its through faith in Jesus we go to Heaven, not via works, but works are kind of like a sympton of faith, not a partner of faith. imo
-Uhh....I thought that was a link to 93% of gays wanna be straight, instead I get linked to some gay site....shudder.....
-umm, if someone really was gay, they wouldn't care what other people thought

Oh, and Kev, I have to give you credit for the AIDS comment. I chuckled a bit, considering how pissed off you have us all, and then throwing that guy in there? brilliant use of baiting. And you got a few bites out of it, too.

Though I am going to have to question why you want Confederate merchandise. You'd probably have to give me a good reason why I shouldn't think of you as racist for owning it? You don't live in America, you dont live in the South... So you don't have any family connections to it. So you agree with their messages then...?

I don't see why I have everyone pisssed off, and I was actually being serious, because I heard gay people get more AIDS than other people.

Because the Southern US is probably the most right-wing place in the world these days, so that's as good as it gets imo. I agree with the non-racist messages, for the most part.

EDIT: Can I just ask for your guys opinion on something? Is polygamy okay? Because a lot of Christians are worried that if gayness is allowed, then soon polygamy will be too, but, as far as I can tell, being in favor of gays implicitly means you allow polygamy too, because unless your religion says gayness is okay but not polygamy, you would be hyprocritical. As far as I know, no religion is like this: Christianity is against them both, and atheism is by definition for both.

-umm, if someone really was gay, they wouldn't care what other people thought

WTF.

If someone is gay of course they care, who the hell in their right mind would want to be hated?

As for polygamy... Not marriage to two people at once since that's illegal, but sharing is all good.

If you don't go to Heaven, chances are you did something wrong

Forgot your Visa?

I'm just trying to point out a flaw I see in the "second-class citizen" argument.

-disneylhand

I'm starting to think Kevin is a joke.

It's pretty ridiculous that you would rather have children up for adoptions then give them loving homes in same sex parented families. Studies actually show that stable gay relationships actually last longer than straight relationships. Stable relationships = happy children. Gay couples often have housework and time with children split evenly. This is far better for the child(ren) than the common patriarchal families of heterosexual couples where the women do all the work while men have little involvement with the child's upbringing. You say you're pro-life, but then you could care less about the well being of children once they're put up for adoption.

and I am grossed out by the comment of "they can marry someone of the opposite sex, so they still have rights..."
soooo I should marry some random woman because I can't marry the real love of my life?
We just want equal rights. Marriage is no longer a religious sanctity when there are so many privileges given to straight couples that gay couples will never have.

It's such a shame that you're so brainwashed by religion that anything seen as out of the ordinary is revolting and makes you want to vomit.

You've sinned more than most Kevin sooo....

Kevin IS a fucking joke.

Joke's on us, I'm afraid.

Yes MA, but that's the point of keeping him around, it isn't about him.

now...

KEVIN.

There is NOTHING in the bible that states WHY homosexuality is bad. It can simply be interpreted as such, and it has been for over a thousand years with no real reason other than misplaced guilt, fear, confusion, and insecurity.

1)Gay sex can be clean, so saying that AIDS/HIV is a reason doesn't work unless you, kevin, would like to stop eating pork and chicken. They are filthy diseased animals, why would you put them in your body? Is your body not a temple? You see this horrid logic creates an obvious double standard which christians are happy to ignore.

On top of that, female-female sex is actually the cleanest/least risky; is cleaner and less risky than straight sex. MODERN society keeps finding ways to make acts from the bible that are said to be sinful no longer hurtful through knowledge and technology, and will continue to debunk and obsolete your precious book until there isn't even a good reason behind anything it claims is harmful except that which hurts or defrauds others directly.

2) The passages and stories from the bible that attempt to illustrate how homosexuality is indecent all fall short or have nothing to do with homosexuality itself. The bible paints homosexuality as a form of wanton lust to the point of self-destruction, and that it leads to the acceptance of other decadent behavior. Judging by the gay people I have met in my life versus the straight people, straight people are the ones who can't keep their dicks in their pants, or can't take no for an answer once they are horny. Gay people are actually LESS lustful than straight people as a whole, from my experience. And from what I've seen, gay people are at no more risk of decadence than straight people.

Same goes for when the bible pigeon-holes gay sex as a form of rape, or that the only creatures that would partake in gay sex are the kind who use sex as a form of control. This is obviously not true, straight guys are far more "alpha male", alpha males are the kind of males that end up as rapists and sex offenders.

There is only one parallel I CAN actually make: gay people, in the face of knowing their own character, and having that character assumed to be something it is clearly not because of what they identify as, see the inherent hypocrisy in saying it is that very thing.

The fact that I can think of a plethora of reasons why it is not that thing, and no reasons of why it could be destructive as concept should illustrate my point.

3)If you don't want your kids to learn that it is "ok", then it's your responsibility to ensure that for them yourself. It's on YOU, not society. The same with sexual safety, sex before marriage, masturbation, and everything else the good book warns us vehemently not to do no matter what. God did smote that one guy who dared to spill his seed upon the ground or something like that... lets just say there are CHUNKS of the bible YOU don't fucking respect, recognize, nor follow. You ignore your own damn book, selectively. You certainly follow the idea that homosexuality is an abomination, but really only because you are so childishly grossed out by it in the first place. It's not something your ego deals with very well, so it's an easy thing for you to attack without remorse like the heathen you are.

4)Oh yes, and that silly "it's not natural" angle? Ha. You know what else is not natural? Microwaves, carbon nanotubes, plastics, central heating, cher's hair... There are an innumerable amount of things you use in your life that couldn't have been dug up or sought out. They had to be created. An engineer understands this: that which is made for one use, may have alternative uses by analogue. They understand that just because something was made with only one use in mind, doesn't necessarily bar it from being used in another capacity. A chair is for sitting, but I'm sure you've used one to reach a really high shelf or as a stepping stool to get up something. What's wrong with that, hm?

And the other thing that destroys the "it's not natural" argument? The fact that we see this kind of utilization by other genus of mammals and other creatures. No really, not just the sex part (but yes, that too - see dolphins, bonobo, praying mantis, etc). In case of the praying mantis, they have evolved in such a way that the female eating the males head mid coitus is how they nourish the fertilized eggs. The male even has neural clusters in it's abdomen so that even though the head in gone, he will still continue to pump.

Multiple uses, one tool. Dolphins have sex for pleasure. Bonobo's and baboons have sex to strengthen or delineate social relationships within a group. Really though, this is pointless to tell you, who thinks god put chicken on the earth to taste good.

5) One more thing I'd like to point out is what Jimemo covered is absolutely the case. They've done study after study, polled large numbers of families over and over and over... The facts came back: gay parents are better for children psychologically than a SINGLE parent. Sure, the dynamic of having a mother and father might be unique but to say it is necessary is a misnomer. You, not having had children thus far in life, have no fucking clue on the matter. I don't either, that's why I researched these polls and cases so thoroughly.

So yeah... you, like all of us have pointed out for the millionth time, just have your brain damaged head stuck up your ass like no other.