General Chat / Obama Elected President

FullMetal: That is great. You have CHOSEN not to want 7+ lavish mansions and 400 foot yacht. Some people CHOOSE to want those things (I certainly do, though I'll have to wait to Heaven to get that), and that's where captialism turns awesome: People work hard and reap their own rewards, and the most successful get the billionaire status. As I have asked you before, if someone offered you $10 million or $10 billion, what would you take? Also, I am glad you realize GREED and not MONEY ITSELF is the root of all evil. Good for you, reading the Bible, maybe you will convert and become even less of an ignorant asshole than you already are not. Also, I thought I wrote Apple/Fruit above, I know, but much like Jonah and the Fish/Whale, people just use shorthand. Thanks for clarifying, though. Also, I know Eve ate it first, that is common knowledge even among non-Christians, BUT, if Adam did not eat it, only Eve would have been thrown out, I think.

Also, Dr. Dude, I do read the Bible, one Chapter a night, unless its really short, and once I finish I am going to start reading about 2 or 3 a night according to my Bible's "read-the-Bible-in-a-year" system.

If someone offered you $10 billion, would you be the one bitching about the government taking half of it? Because if so, then you've found your problem. what if you knew where the $10 billion came from? Say the $10 million came out of Karl Marx's pocket and the $10 billion was blood money stolen from 500 small, dying children? How's the greed coming into play now? The question is oversimplified and ridiculous.

It's not greed that rules that outcome, that's selecting the smart answer. Are you going to puch yourself in the face of not punch yourself in the face? Do you want to eat rotten food, or fresh food? Hmm... How about the one that makes sense? That sounds pretty intelligent. If the question is two gifts of no strings attached money from legitimate sources, then why shouldn't the logical answer be to choose the larger one? You didn't ask what I planned to do with the money, so don't even try to make that sound greedy. You can add stipulations like I did above to get different answers, but I can tell you from the non-specific question you asked, there's a clear correct answer to the question, and it's not hard to figure out. In fact, you'd have to come up with a pretty good explanation for why you wouldn't choose the larger one.


And I thought communism was the root of all evil? ...Perhaps I'm misinterpretting. The man you believe the evilest man in the world, by your logic, should be the most greedy then, right? But instead he's the one that wants everyone to have equal everything.

Follow the logic train.
CHOOO CHOOOO.
I'm sure trying, but that shit has long since derailed.

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That was rather well thought out, esp. considering you are perpetually drunk AND its 2am AND its the weekened.

So, you're saying you would take the $10billion. Good. And no, I would never be happy with Big Brother Gov't taking 1/2 my money, no matter how much I had. I'd rather give it away at my own discretion (i.e., to Churches, and not to state-sponsored shit).

I'm rarely drunk anymore.



I only bring it up for one simple reason, Kev. Are you a glass half full kind of guy, or a glass half empty kind of guy? If the government takes 75% of it, you still just got a free gift of $2.5billion. Put in a bank at 1% interest (ONE. Much lower than any savings account will really give you), you'd have to spend over 25mil a year to ever reduce the principle.

All I'm saying is that you should be grateful for the free gift you were given, not pissed about the money you didn't get. That, sir, is fucking greed, and that kind of thinking will lead you to a lot of empty accomplishments and prescriptions of Prozac.

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ugh.

It's ridiculous to think we all choose what we want in our lives. Depending on our background, sexual orientation, race, religion, gender, ethnicity etc. our choices are limited and constrained. You can't tell me that a black male who was born in the inner city has the same chance as you to move up in the class system. It's also so naive to think that there is such thing as the "American Dream" and that if we work at it, we can do anything we want. Maybe someday when you are older you will understand how this country really works. You'll see that the rich are staying rich and the poor are becoming poorer. And it has nothing to do with skilled people working hard. It has to do with inequality and social stratification.

"I am a white, heterosexual, protestant, male, MIDDLE CLASS (not even close to rich, or even really upper middle class). I do not think being white makes me better than blacks, which you obviously implied there."

I don't think I said that you thought you were better than black people... Simply by being a straight, white, male, you are more privileged and will have more opportunity than other social groups.

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Your source works completely against you, dude.

Out of 1125 billionaires in the world, there are.... 4 black billionaires. They make up .36% of the wealth then?
Highest Worth: $62bil. Highest Black worth: $3.3bil. Blacks are worth 5.32% percent of whites?

Using another completely legitimate and accurate source, I can tell you that in America blacks make up 12% of the population. Compare that to the above statistics.

(I couldn't find decent statistics on worldwide racial demographics. One completely uncited stat said 8% white, 92% non-white, which would be fucking unreal against the statistics above.)

So, really, how the fuck can you say everyone has an equal chance? It's pretty obvious that they don't...

I don't have statistics, but don't most people think of themselves as middle class? If you're not rich, and you're not living on the street, you're middle class!

Something about calling yourself lower class implies a judgement call, like you're not as good as the upper, superior class.

what Kevin doesn't realize is that his idea of "liberty" is that certain people are privileged while others are stuck in poverty and will never get out of their low socioeconomic status due to the policies and laws put forth in our capitalistic economy used to keep the rich, wealthy and the poor, impoverished. We don't have liberty in America. T
I'm going to guess that Kevin is a heterosexual, white male. Being at the top of the privilege ladder makes it very hard to see the inequality around them.

The ideas of socialism and communism look good on paper. It's about a utopia where everyone can live comfortably without inequality. I wish you actually knew more about Marx's theoretical work about communism. His idea was that the law waged, working class would eventually get so sick and tired of being treated like crap that they would overtake the bourgeois (that's the rich folks) and create a classless system. Everyone would work together to make a socialist economy where everything was equal. And just for you Kevin, another Marx quote...
“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need”

An interesting point, technically, the so called "communist revolutions", were actually spearheaded by power hungry despots. Also for what its worth, Marx thought it would naturally happen in a western nation, not necessarily China or Russia.

As for this whole argument about privilege, I will concede that people are dealt certain hands in this world be it the pocket aces (your donald trumps, paris hiltons etc), your Ace Ten Off suit (your middle class), or your seven deuce (those in urban areas).
The point is, standing in life does not ALWAYS dictate where you can go with your life. Personally, I'm a big proponent of suck it up and deal, because quite frankly, none of us is ever going to get that rich, but what is wrong if we try for it?

Remember people, kevin is just brainwashed. Brainwashed into thinking that his personal choices are more important than the suffering of thousands.

If 20 ethiopians had to die for his morning coffee, he'd be sad...

But he'd still go there everyday to drink.

That's how kevin thinks. He's been brainwashed into thinking choice is more important than the lives and livelihoods of others.

Don't worry though, if he gets what SHOULD be coming to him, then he'll end up on the street like some of us have, and quickly find the humility he so needs in his life.

Kevin, you are wanton and prideful and greedy. These are sins you fake christian you! And no, just the thought of "gee, im sorry god, forgive me?" Does not mean he will forgive you! Yet, I get the feeling that you excuse your actions by being *sob*soooo sorry... but then turn around and do those things over and over and over, each time asking for forgiveness. Just like augustine, the fornicating asshole psychopath that ruined human understanding of sexuality for many hundreds of years. People like you and him simply get tainted, having the will to preach and act, but not the wisdom to foresee it's consequences or judge what is at stake.


Essentially, you are a weak-minded individual who has the misguided opinion of believing himself to be of strong-mind. Consequently, your ego outbids your own weak grasp of logical process, you tool away explanations for all your failings as a human instead of actually accepting them and summoning the WILL to change, and you label others quickly and hotly to keep your mind off things your ego won't let you admit needs more perspective.

You are a broken human.

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Remember people, kevin is just brainwashed. Brainwashed into thinking that his personal choices are more important than the suffering of thousands.

If 20 ethiopians had to die for his morning coffee, he'd be sad...

But he'd still go there everyday to drink.

That's how kevin thinks. He's been brainwashed into thinking choice is more important than the lives and livelihoods of others.

Don't worry though, if he gets what SHOULD be coming to him, then he'll end up on the street like some of us have, and quickly find the humility he so needs in his life.

Kevin, you are wanton and prideful and greedy. These are sins you fake christian you! And no, just the thought of "gee, im sorry god, forgive me?" Does not mean he will forgive you! Yet, I get the feeling that you excuse your actions by being *sob*soooo sorry... but then turn around and do those things over and over and over, each time asking for forgiveness. Just like augustine, the fornicating asshole psychopath that ruined human understanding of sexuality for many hundreds of years. People like you and him simply get tainted, having the will to preach and act, but not the wisdom to foresee it's consequences or judge what is at stake.
Essentially, you are a weak-minded individual who has the misguided opinion of believing himself to be of strong-mind. Consequently, your ego outbids your own weak grasp of logical process, you tool away explanations for all your failings as a human instead of actually accepting them and summoning the WILL to change, and you label others quickly and hotly to keep your mind off things your ego won't let you admit needs more perspective.

You are a broken human.

Wow, once again that took the words out my mouth.

The thing is Kevin, I agree with you on some things (ie: communism not good), but the way you argue them shows a lack of understanding of why you believe them. I don't like communism, not because its "evil", but rather because of its inability to translate into reality.
You seriously need to chill out on the religion thing if this is where your opinions are coming from primarily. The true skill of someone who wishes to debate, as it seems you to do, comes not from the way you argue, or simply sticking to your guns, but rather from understanding and appreciating the other point of view, and basing your argument in logical reasoning, and not some emotional reasoning that your bible has instilled in you.

I haven't read any of the posts lately but I'm just here to say... Obama's gonna win. It's far too late in the game for McCain to come back and win this thing imo. I voted for McCain, but really, unless some crazy Obama scandal happens (and even then...) I just don't see McCain coming out on top.

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Uhhh, that's taking it a bit too far there kiddo....

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This is even MORE disgusting than tradtional abortion, and, yes, Obama supports it.

Way to be brainwashed by McCain, Kevin... Obama doesn't support abortion. He wants pregnant women to be able to make a choice. If a woman wants to get an abortion, that's her choice. Obama wants women to be educated in their decision so that they know both the benefits and consequences of their actions.

But enough about dead babies. Let's laugh. Supernews!

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If someone offered you $10 billion, would you be the one bitching about the government taking half of it?

i would bitch at first but then say to myself, "what? 5 bill isnt alot? im that greedy that i want 10bil?"

As fucked up as our country is right now, abortion doesn't even rank on my priority list. Education is in shambles, the Economy is hanging by a thread, and we've got multiple wars going on.

I don't fucking care whether of not a woman wants to abort her child.

Most importantly, how much power do you think the president has? If he's the only democrat to vote against that bill, how likely do you think it is that he'll get that bill to pass in both houses? How likely do you think it is that he'll even introduce a bill supporting partial birth abortions?

Fact is, I don't think abortion even ranks on his priority list, and I hope for the sake of our country that it doesn't. Perhaps if Bush had spent more time on the economy than he did on Gay Marriage amendments, we might not be in this mess.