General Chat / Obama Elected President

Last presidential debate is on Wednesday of next week, which sucks becuase a brand new South Park is on at 10PM, and the debate doesn't end until 10:30PM. Damn you, CNN!

that was a funny ass episode "Gorge Lucas & Steven Speildburg raped Indiana Jones!)

funnily enough, i didn't learn about that when i learned about Portuguese exploration in AP European History.

funnily enough, i didn't learn about that when i learned about Portuguese exploration in AP European History.

All I had to do was take History of Latin America at college. And I was forced to take it.

Even AP high school courses are introductory. I just happen to have a professor that's really into Latin America and forces us to read obnoxious amounts of textbooks and independant articles.

Last presidential debate is on Wednesday of next week, which sucks becuase a brand new South Park is on at 10PM, and the debate doesn't end until 10:30PM. Damn you, CNN!

And on the seventh day... God created Bit torrent.

And southparkstudios.com. And On Demand.

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MA what's wrong with learning something in a class?

My school has these awful things called "General Education Requirements" and I assume most schools these day do. Which means if, for example, you're a psychology major with a music minor, you still have to take 2 sciences, 2 humanities, 2 english, 3 writing emphasis, 1 diversity, 1 multicultural, and 4 foreign languages. Most of the Gen-Ed classes are large auditorium type classes with 200+ kids, a really expensive text book that's hardly used, and stupid fucking scantron tests that are over 100 questions long.

Nothing wrong with learning, but there's gotta be a better way than this bullshit. With my career goals, all this learning is good for is schooling 13-year-olds on internet forums. Yippee!

...so the debate last night...

mccain seems to have a better understanding of the financial side of things, the only thing obama had in this debate was... well, being well-spoken. All the debate last night did for me is make me even more frustrated. Here's some of my thoughts:

-The answer, which neither party wants to consider, is to simply dismantle current tax laws/wait for them to expire, and then push a flat sales tax through that exempts food and rent. With just that, people on the low end of the spectrum would finally be able to save up, and businesses could still afford to pay their employees.

-Vouchers are not a forever deal, but are a good way to get the ball rolling on education reform, which I personally think is absolutely vital at this time. This also forces public schools to hire competent staff and utilize a more competitive curriculum.

-Obama made a good point, no one is "pro abortion". Allowing abortion if there exists a possibility of the mother's death resulting from the pregnancy seems the most humane way to treat the subject. But the real focus should be on educating young people on the risks and consequences involved, and looking after the needs of those children. If you are going to be pro-life, be pro-the-children-resulting-from-said-unwanted-pregnancies, too.

-Joe the plumber is a ignunt sunah-a-gun, but money dun lie.

I thought McCain had an awesome zinger when Obama wouldn't let the Bush thing go. That line about Obama running four years ago if he wanted to run against Bush was awesome...way too little to late in the campaign though..
As far as the whole tax thing, Blitz I think you took the words right out of my mouth. I would also like to add that there needs to be another tax bracket and the AMT needs to be eliminated. The problem is that after a certain point (with Obama its apparently 250K), wherein you fall into the highest tax bracket. The problem with this is that if you make 250,001 then you pay the same rate as the asshole CEO who is banking a million. Also, in terms of business, if your business makes 250,001, then you pay the same rate as the business making billions. There is a serious problem with that. Also the AMT, which was enacted to force fatcats like Bill Gates to pay their taxes, has become a huge burden on the middle class, and forces action by Congress every year, which wastes time and money, and it doesn't work.

Oh and MA, did I read that correctly 1 multicultural and 1 diversity??? Oh god I'm sorry for you. I had this class called multiculturalism with a Pakistani lesbian who hated men. It essentially consisted of her trying to make everyone in the room feel guilty for being white, and me making her look like a fool every day. The best part was, we spent about a week total on something actually dealing with multiculturalism, and the only prove she brought to the table where a few articles from 1970. The bitch also stole research from just about everyone..God I still get chills when I think about that class.

win.

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No, kevin.

Realistically, a flat sales tax would be superior to bracketed income tax. Granted, there DOES need to be a bracket seperating 250k/yr from 1,000k/yr, because as of right now, they pay the same %. And another to seperate 1B from 1M.

The problem is all those complex tax laws have an ulterior purpose.

Congress uses tax laws to punish their enemies, and reward their friends. When they don't have tax laws they can throw their loopholes into (tacked on, as it were), they don't have power. This is why we don't have only a flat sales tax, even though it's the most obvious course of action. It does exactly what you'd want, kevin. Luxuries are heavily taxed, essentials are not. Therefore, this hits rich people much harder (they spend more on luxuries, obviously), but in a completely fair way.

One of the reasons obama will end up as president is because congress wants him to be president. They won't lose their power that way.

I'm sorry if you didn't realize this.

I feel sad... I could either elect obama and finally have moral freedom and seperation from judeo-christian fundamentalist bullshit, but have a pseudo-welfare state that leads to depression... or I could elect someone who can save the economy resoundingly, only to be forced to my knees to abide by sickeningly unrealistic holier-than-thou and truthfully and actually IMMORAL laws of obscenity, safety, decency, etc. that will LIMIT my potential, LIMIT technological evolution, LIMIT scientific progress that will save lives, PROMOTE prejudices of all kinds like it has in the past 4 years, and treat everyone like little children who can't be trusted! These are shameful laws that the american people should be embarrassed having to put up with. Just because some fucking redneck was brainwashed to believe homosexuality is a sin, now his party is in office and he is tagging them, removing their rights, and treating them as less than human. Out of HATE he LEGISLATES their suffering into existence. And we will watch as he shuts down abortion clinics, and we will also watch as the sale of coat hangers rises and he thinks smugly to himself that he "helped" those poor immoral women...

This is why the right needs to die just as much as the left does. They are both outrageously indecent in position, in agenda, and in predilection. They both want to control you, just in different yet equally disgusting ways.

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1)the coat hanger thing must have gone over your head.

2)I don't believe in same sex "marriage", since the religion specifically states that it isn't supported, but I do believe that 2 people living together deserve the same rights and breaks that married couples receive per a)for the premise of 2 people being financially linked and aided, and b)increasing benefits as it serves those who choose to adopt the same way a straight married couple is benefited from the state for conceiving a child. Problem is, again, that the right treats homosexuals as sub-humans and keeps from them rights they deserve as much as any married couple.

Either they should have the same benefits and rights, or marriage should not lend itself to receiving those same rights and benefits in the first place.

2)From my perspective, a death penalty is not ok, but owning a gun is. People should have to be more wary, but punishing ones that are already caught when you have sufficiently blockaded their ability to repeat this act? Stupid. Right does not realize the point of regulation, which is why they end up regulating and penalizing the wrong things, and too many things. Jails are crowded on count because of the right, so their answer is to KILL some inmates to make room. Great. For instance, the whole war on drugs is a decidedly right-wing thing. The contradictory nature of these laws allows law-makers to create a caste society of rich vs. poor. DXM is in a lot of drugs, and more readily puts holes in your brain than exstacy, but one is barely schedule 3, and the other is schedule 1 or 2. This scheduling lapse is not due to oversight, but instead is caste philosophy practiced on capitol hill.

Not everything you believe makes a person decent should be a law, because sometimes a law actually spurs more of these indecent actions to take place. When you realize this is an intended side-effect in order to create cultural rifts and punish those on one side over the other, maybe you'll look at laws a little differently like I have found myself doing. Laws aren't how you create conditions that suit a society, laws create transparency for those in power to exercise their personal control; ie: punish their enemies, and reward their friends. I support a culture that isn't beholden to "science is wrong" just because their religion disagrees with proven and utilized concepts. The right wants their religion to be what everyone believes, so they legislate their religion on others to force them into practice. The left justifies its legislation by treating people as equally valuable and equally amenable. Problem is, while people not being equally amenable not detract from the actual consequence of treating people so, their value in actual utility differing from person to person has a pronounced effect on the country as a whole.

This is why this country fails: it always goes too far left, or too far right, and doesn't seem to care about the crushing of culture under-foot in its reactionary pilfering.

I'm actually for gay marriage. If two gay guys want to get married, I feel that they have the right to do so. Just becuase some religious fanatics get pissed, doesn't mean they can't do it. Also--I may have mentioned this previously--Palin said that she wants to "preserve the definition of marriage as defined in the Constitution." No where in the Constitution does it state that marriage has to be between a man and a woman.

I also was happy with Obama's abortion plan. It made McCain look like a nut-case.

I'm actually for gay marriage. If two gay guys want to get married, I feel that they have the right to do so.

True. I don't believe in homosexuality but that doesn't mean others can't.