General Chat / Obama Elected President

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Hmm, I just want to know: is there anyone who would vote for McCain? It just seems wrong voting for him after seeing that video:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=IH0xzsogzAk

It's just wrong making false ads, right?

Hmm, I just want to know: is there anyone who would vote for McCain? It just seems wrong voting for him after seeing that video:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=IH0xzsogzAk

It's just wrong making false ads, right?

1. The American public is so ridiculously jaded about lying politicians that it barely enters the thought process for elections. As evidenced by the last two...

2. The GOP has a policy of "lie enough and people will believe anything." Since the majority of people are too lazy to fact-check (as per their jadedness about lying politicians) this actually works to some degree.

This is where republicanism fucks itself.

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The problem being, do you vote for a guy who mirrors your beliefs, but is a giant liar and asshole, or do you vote for the guy who you think is a decent guy, but doesn't believe in anything you stand for.

I have this problem in a lot of elections.

The problem being, do you vote for a guy who mirrors your beliefs, but is a giant liar and asshole, or do you vote for the guy who you think is a decent guy, but doesn't believe in anything you stand for.

I have this problem in a lot of elections.

Took the words right out of my mouth..

Oh, there is also that video about fox news attacking Obama that is quite funny:

http://www.youtube.c...acks.com/virus/

Funny stuff, fox has always been hilarious.

Really though, I just can't trust either of them. I'd like to know if obama saying that shit about taxes not going up for families that make less than 250K a year... is really true. I want an actual answer on that one, since I can't just take his word on it.

250000$? It seems that USA has a higher cost of life than in Canada. In Canada, the budget of a poor family per year is something like 32000$...

Anyway, yeah, I actually agree with you on that point. Obama wants to spend so much in the social and education system and at the same time, assures that taxes won't be raised... Where is he going to take all that money anyway?

Also, Obama assures that if he becomes president, in the next 10 years, the american economy won't be in need of Petroleum to work... I don't believe that, that's kind of bullshit... after 30 years, yes, it would be possible, but not after that small amount of time.

But it's not like McCain would be a better president than Obama anyway. Just look at the videos I have posted. McCain is just wrong! Oh, and there is a video that helps McCain count his mansions. lol

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

really, my issue with mccain is that we need someone who is not conservative on technology, at all. It's moving too fast.

10 years bullshit? Only if the current trends are norm.

Here's a CRAZY idea for ya, that you'll be like "THATS STUPID IT COULD NEVER HAPPEN":

So... private automotive companies offer partial trade ins: your old vw + some compensation, for their plug-in hybrid. They profit by selling the old cars 1) in other countries 2)resellers, foreign or not 3)plasma oriented recycling plants. Ok, so after that... Every new unit (home) that is built over a certain period of time should have built-in solar panels on the rooves + 2 way meter w/the newer kind of panels that absorb more than just the ultraviolet, are flexible, and cost a fraction of what the old type did. We all pay our taxes for it to be done as to not break the businesses selling the homes(subsidies + price regulation). If this is done long enough, we would have effectively mitigated and diluted the rising costs of oil (though you would be leaning heavily on coal in the process, it certainly buys us some time to come up with better solutions). This way though, no one has to do anything: people will gladly trade in when times are tough enough, homes will sell because utility(energy) costs aren't an issue (hell, you could be MAKING money off it), and the private industries involved get a fat cut for playing along.

I know, it's nuts right? Probably wouldn't work, but I just thought I'd throw it out there as something that would take less than 10 years to take effect...

The "Block User" function would work better if people stopped quoting Kevin.

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I'd say the beliefs. Of course, most politicians are both liars and assholes, so it's really a choice between: "shared beliefs/liar/asshole" and "fucked up beliefs iyo/liar/asshole." BTW whose beliefs do you share MA?

I wrote the last bit from the perspective of a republican in the last bit. I'm a musician with a lot of education major friends, I have a lot of gay friends, and I make very little money. Who the fuck do you think I'm voting for?

I find it amusing that a conservative news source which is true is labled radical immediately. Thinks like FOX, the Western Standard and such are a breath of fresh air.

see, it's shit like this that makes me think the jokes on us, and you're just making it all up for laughs. A "true" news source that is super biased in a video showing innacuracies and strait-up lies... Come on, Kev. You're smarter than that.

(yes, if you find a video of a liberal news source in the sitatuion, I'll say the same thing.)

really, my issue with mccain is that we need someone who is not conservative on technology, at all. It's moving too fast.

Well said. For anyone who watched the McCain-Obama debate on CNN on Friday, McCain stated that he wanted to stop spending on things that aren't important. He wants to focus spending on defense only, whereas Obama wants to make long term investments in technology that will give the US a better economic future.

And how in the hell will giving tax cuts to the rich help the economy? The bulk of spending in the US is done by middle class people trying to make a living. What are the rich people going to do? Buy another house? What the hell do you need more than one house for, anyway? Damn McCain and his twelve houses!

Obama '08

D) This one is the main reason I quoted you. Why is it that because someone is rich they are bad to govern?

You don't obviously get the point. The video I have posted above about his mansions was just funny. Nothing wrong for a president to have that many houses.

But the fact that he can't remember how many houses he has is just wrong! He would be the future USA president and he can't remember such small things. lol

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Honestly, this whole debate over taxes is dumb.

What needs to happen is that INDIVIDUALS who profit excessively from a capitalist system need to be taxed heavily! We need to STOP taxing BUSINESSES so frickin much! That's one thing mccain got right! The BUSINESS is what gives people jobs, that pays people's wages. If they have no incentive to put that business HERE at HOME, where it WOULD create jobs, then why WOULDN'T they go overseas and create massive unemployment for us? Capitalism is a system of greed, ASSUME people are going to be greedy! Make it so that the US is an enticing place to START and RUN a business, and the economy will improve.

But then I have other issues... to me, education is the root of all our current problems. Too much of it is propaganda in the first place - it's corrupt and defunct. We need to seriously deal with the infrastructure of our public school systems, like, NOW. Funding is a huge issue, and so is research. It just blows my mind that it even got to this point...

Oh, and some of my issues with obama is that he is just... not very experienced. He knows what a problem is, but doesn't have solutions that are grounded in reality. That's one thing I noticed in the debate. However, his thinking doesn't take into account issues of new technology, pushing for future efficiency and long term goals to improving the infrastructure of our economy, our travel, our virtual security, etc... and he is relatively "off his rocker" about how to deal with our US-mexico border and doesn't give a straight answer or plan on the troops to boot.

Honestly, both these men scare me if either becomes president. I hope mccain doesn't spend a metric ton on stupid shit (like george did and is still doing), and I hope obama can adapt to a position like this in time to not fuck us all over. Fucking irony.

And how in the hell will giving tax cuts to the rich help the economy? The bulk of spending in the US is done by middle class people trying to make a living. What are the rich people going to do? Buy another house? What the hell do you need more than one house for, anyway? Damn McCain and his twelve houses!

Money is power, you tax the rich who control businesses, prices will be raised nation wide. Just like when the federal wage increased, prices everywhere went up to accommodate that increase. So people are making more, but the cost of living is more. Yet inflation keeps going up.

At my work, almost the day after our employees got raises due to the minimum wage increase we got new menus with higher prices.

The dollar is a disease.

^ 90% of the price increases after the minimum wage increase were there to keep the cushion between the bottom and top pay scales. You can't cut into a CEO's 6-7 figure salary to cover a 4-figure increase in wages. *rolleyes*

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lol at your shit maths

1% of 20k is 2k?