Micro Madness / #1 Corkscrewed vs. #14 Camcorder22

Exactly, to me it seems that there are too many people becoming parkmakers way too easily. When I used to play it took a hell of alot to become a parkmaker, aka a couple of spotlights or something incredible etc. I personally think that if Iris was still in charge we wouldn't have half the parkmakers we have now. All of the recent p/makers, Levis, 5Dave, Camcorder and Junya probably wouldnt be parkmakers if Iris was still here (maybe apart from Junya). I don't know whether Kumbarse is doing it for popularity or just to keep the site updated, but I think it would take more than a win over a "not in form" corky (when corky should have won) to become parkmaker. Surely it would be more wise to make the WINNER of Micro Madness parkmaker (if the winner isn't p/maker, obv. (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm guessing the winner will become parkmaker if he/she isnt currently one))

But still no offence to the guys who have become p/maker, congrats and everything.
In my day it would have taken alot more, thats all.

Oh, and I don't want anyone saying "you don't know nothing you don't even play anymore blah blah" because Im speaking from past experiences.

Quoted from truth, and it's only like, a year ago since I was playing.

Parkmakers were far and few between, but now it seems half the people here are parkmakers.

It just takes away the "specialness" of the idea of it imo.

agreed

I always wanted to be a parkmaker. i wanted the recognition and respect, and i wanted the assurance that my talent was in in fact good enough to be a parkmaker. With the standards becoming lower and lower, it's not much of a goal to shoot for any more. That takes a lot away from what this site is about.

So Marshy do you want iris back? Id ask him to come back but just get an "lmao, no." knowing him.

I am not the same as iris. I have said it from day 1 (or, at least in my first week). The major difference between as is exemplified here perfectly. I will reward people for working hard and that can mean they get an NE Parkmaker spot. In this case Cam was the last Non-NE Parkmaker left in a contest with 64 parkmakers AND became the first person to beat Cork (Tho I will admit I may have voted for Cork over him) in this type of contest. Therefore Cam is an NE Parkmaker unless he wants to pull an RCTFAN...

I think I know why your pissed Marshy. You just saw Junya get a spot and you don't have one even tho you have released close to as many thing as he has. I do tend to overlook you because your a pain in my ass, but I still respect what you have done in the game. If you were say... about to win Blockbuster or make an amazing design or CC I would give you an NE Parkmaker spot. You were/are a hard worker and I have great respect for that.

Also face facts, times are changing here at NE as people build less and I am trying to adjust to that. I don't see how NE could function if people are not rewarded for their achievements and Camcorders was huge IMO.

I always wanted to be a parkmaker. i wanted the recognition and respect, and i wanted the assurance that my talent was in in fact good enough to be a parkmaker. With the standards becoming lower and lower, it's not much of a goal to shoot for any more. That takes a lot away from what this site is about.

Welcome to New Element v3.

Welcome to New Element v3.

Unfortunate as it is.

I'd like to say something on this: If you are playing to become Parkmaker then you aren't playing the game for the right reasons to begin with. It's something to shoot for but it really shouldn't matter in the long run. Play for enjoyment, not recognition. I think that's one of the major differences from the past and now. People got Parkmaker status after a lot of time and effort put into something they enjoy... not because being a Parkmaker was their main goal. Sadly this has changed pretty quickly over the past couple of years and people have tried to get recognition with every park they start. Nobody tries to just improve with a number of parks, they just seem to want to get the best accolade they can with their newest solo, which they'll never finish anyway due to insane detail expectations. So while lowering standards to actually keep the hierarchy of NE functioning is tough to accept, my advice to all those who are all that worked up about it (and still play)is that you should rethink your priorties.

@Camcorder- you don't deserve it but congrats on the spot anyway. You've improved and your entry looks good, probably enough to beat Corky although he wasn't trying his hardest and that's pretty obvious.

It’s times like this that make me wonder.

The NE of old is gone. It died a slow agonizing death before Darren took over. Most if not all of the old parkmarkers are long gone for various reason however most were gone during the later months when Iris had the site. Iris did a great job with the site back then. However real life eventually took over for most and the site’s activity level suffered from it. It’s not anyone’s fault, it happens.

Darren came along and literally pulled NE out of the grave and he had to do it quickly and what he felt was in the best interest of the site. This means that you either keep on going down the current path or you adjust to the current membership. He adjusted and altered the criteria for who becomes a parkmaker, who gets a spotlight, etc…… I find it funny how most of the old guard is up in arms about the things that are changing. Too many parkmakers, we can’t have that! RCTModified should not be used because it will mess up my viewing of someone else’s park that is using it, the mystique of being a parkmaker no longer there! With the exception of Cam’s PM spot, all of the others have shown sustained quality work and are still active, still producing parks. Under the old system, it was the kiss of death to become a parkmaker. Hell, it was a standing joke that once you became Parkmaker, you were cursed and stopped producing parks. Would I have been a Parkmaker if Iris was still around? Probably not, however that was never my goal.

What Darren has shown is to instead wait until they are burnt out of RCT and give it to them near the brink of retirement or award the PM spot to those that are still eager, still building and still show sustained potential? You can say that to all of us that Darren has award a PM spot to (not as a result from a contest). Look at the list:

CP6 – Still active
Geewhzz – Still active
Emergo – still active
J K – Still active
Myself – Still Active
5Dave – Still active
Levis – Still active

When was the last time this many NEW Parkmakers were still acive?

In short, this comes down to Darren’s philosophy about the PM title and what he thinks is best for the sustained growth of NE. So it’s not the NE of old, who gives a shit. Times change, ownership change, you either adapt or get run over!

Now I’m going to go take my “Lazy Ass” and continue to work on my park!

James - rctnw

^the whole "Parmaker curse" wasn't a part of the Old NE actually... the way I remember it Kevin was really one of the first to start that. And that of course was when NE really started to die.

^ Very true. I was refering to the old NE as the time when Iris was the owner.

uhm, any reason as to why my post in this topic was deleted?

I'd like to say something on this: If you are playing to become Parkmaker then you aren't playing the game for the right reasons to begin with. It's something to shoot for but it really shouldn't matter in the long run. Play for enjoyment, not recognition. I think that's one of the major differences from the past and now. People got Parkmaker status after a lot of time and effort put into something they enjoy... not because being a Parkmaker was their main goal. Sadly this has changed pretty quickly over the past couple of years and people have tried to get recognition with every park they start. Nobody tries to just improve with a number of parks, they just seem to want to get the best accolade they can with their newest solo, which they'll never finish anyway due to insane detail expectations. So while lowering standards to actually keep the hierarchy of NE functioning is tough to accept, my advice to all those who are all that worked up about it (and still play)is that you should rethink your priorties.

@Camcorder- you don't deserve it but congrats on the spot anyway. You've improved and your entry looks good, probably enough to beat Corky although he wasn't trying his hardest and that's pretty obvious.

^ Good post, Ole!

I cannot refrain from giving my 2 cents also, and that is because I am soooo surprised at most of the reactions in this thread. :' />

1) I think I do understand both sides, like how Kumba wants to do things here and for the reasons he explained so clearly.
I do not always agree with him, - and why should I ??- but whenever he does what he does with honesty I'll respect that!.

2) I think I also understand the madness of all other members (retired parkmakers, longtime and rather new members), as they all will feel "cheated upon" by this as they either had "to work so much harder" to get a Parkmaker-title, or also want one while in fact they have not produced anything of importance at all yet....and now they feel Cam gets it and they not......

What surprises me immensily however, is that Kumba told clip and clear in the rules of this contest at the beginning, that any Non-Ne Parkmaker that would reach the last four, would get a Parkmaker-spot.
So anyone who can read and was interested (to participate or to just comment) in this contest, knew this from the beginning.

NOBODY protested against these rules.... (!!!!)

And now that it happens (a non-NE-parkmaker becoming an NE-Parkmaker because he reached that final four) and the rules are just and only executed as they were established months ago, everyone starts stumbling over that....

Now, this imo is extremely lame, childish and immature.

If you did not agree with those rules in the first place, you should have ventilated your problems with them long ago.
If you did not take the time/thought to do that before, than now you should be a good sport and take what is the outcome of your own laziness/carelessness in the first place......

So you complaining all, just try to be classy enough to congrat Camcorder with an "award" he won , completely following the rules, and stop being jealous because you did not do what he did or so....

If you want other rules for other events, then start a discussion about that in a special topic, and please leave this one for comments on the parks of Cork and Camcorder.

Yes, the "standards" now may be lower than some years ago, but Kumba explained his reasons very clearly, and in the light of the times I think in general he is right to do so, as well as that indeed he is quite another person than Iris.
And whether you agree on how he does it or not, I can hardly imagine that anyone could deny that with being who he is, and with doing it like he does, whether you like it or not, he indeed in a great way saved the site NE from starving a slow death......

One can never have everything "perfect" for all, especially not if most of you, complaining ones, just consume what this site has to offer instead of actively adding to it (with content, I mean....and don't jump on me for this one, as yes, yes, I am aware that even some of the "complainers" do add, Lol!)

Oh...and Camcorder: Congrats!!

I loved your park a lot, (well, Cork's also!) and am sure that if after this contest you can invest your time into a bigger park and work as hard for that one as you did in this contest, and with that great results, you'll have fun, and we will have....

And to all whining ones:....now go and build your own amazing large works and have fun with it (or otherwise I'll have to repeat my "quote of the year 2007" )

Emergo

I'm just curious, but was there like a vote as to see if CC should be parkmaker? Or did Kumba just like, hand it over?

Personally, I would rather have seen NE die than have it come to this. Before NE3, the site was dying in a way that like, it was just getting old. People were losing interest (and yes, interest has been rekindled somewhat). Now, I think the site is figuratively being killed, by lowering the standards. Yeah, times are changing, but I think along the line we lost sight of this site is about: being the best, regardless of what's going on in the community.

What I'm trying to say, I guess, is that before NE3, it was dying. Now, we are killing it. Although at the beginning of NE3 things were all right to me, but in recent months, or weeks, things started to get out of hand for me.

Call me old-fashioned, but this topic alone is evidence enough of what the future of NE has in store for us.

^ I personally do think the discussion is interesting enough to be held.
(so, if I have the time, I would step into it)

But as I said in my post above, not in this thread, which imo is meant for the parks of Cork and Camcorder.

I am not a mod here, but if I was I would move all posts not concerning the parks but only the "parkmaker-worthy"-thing to a new topic, and continue in there....

Or someone could start a new topic for it.

Anyway, I will not be stepping into this discussion any further in this thread...

And on your first alinea: no voting was needed at all...Kumba just executed what was stated in the "rules" for this contest: "any non-NE-_Parkmaker reaching the final four, would become a parkmaker" (did not you read my former post then???) in other words: Kumba just lived up to what was said/promised at the beginning of this contest.... again.....upon which nobody protested when the time to protest against it was there....

Emergo

This is bullshit.

^ No, this statement:

Personally, I would rather have seen NE die than have it come to this.

...is bullshit.

I think that statement by Steve is a little farfetch'd.

But I do see where he is coming from to be honest. Before Kumba came in, it looked like NE would die with it's glory and it's pride still intact. But the way it's becoming, it's just turning into another Rct site. Not the Rct site for the elites, which is what NE has always been viewed as whilst I've been in the community.

At least that's what I think.

If this isnt the best RCT site on the web, which one is, again? I must have missed it...

What surprises me immensily however, is that Kumba told clip and clear in the rules of this contest at the beginning, that any Non-Ne Parkmaker that would reach the last four, would get a Parkmaker-spot.
So anyone who can read and was interested (to participate or to just comment) in this contest, knew this from the beginning.

Yeah, that's because in the beginning, Camcorder would've had to go up against RCTNW, instead of an entry finished in one day by a rusty Fanatic of RCT. Then he did beat OLE fair and sqaure I'll give him that. Then he went up against me because Blitz dropped out. Now finally, he beat Corkscrewed (originally supposed to be Fatha') who, from what it seems, didn't build his best possible entry.
So pretty much what I'm trying to say is, it really wasn't as impressive as it was meant to be when Kumba decided to make that the reward.

Anyway, Camcorder, I'm kinda upset that you're accepting this, but whatever.

If this isnt the best RCT site on the web, which one is, again? I must have missed it...

It is still this one.
But I'd say that the work being churned out by our "Parkmakers" here is getting worse, eg Camcorder, even to the point of I actually like the most recent VP at Rct2.com better than what I've seen of his work.

NE is on a decline.