General Chat / Student Goes Apeshit At Virginia Tech

http://youtube.com/watch?v=k2utcuURGXw

Bullshit. He was bent on killing people. He'd get the guns if they were legal or not. Gun control would have done nothing. A criminal is not going to be detered because now he is breaking seven laws, when before he was breaking five.

Uhm yeah. If I can get a gun on every street corner it would be easy to find one for me. However we have strict gun laws here and as a normal person I wouldn't know where to obtain one (illegaly ofcourse).
Was the guy really a criminal that would have know how to get a gun if you couldn't get guns anywhere legally or was it a 'normal' guy that went insane and got his tools perfectly accesible. You could also go on a rampage with another weapon but it would take a lot more guts since it's easier to just pull a trigger. The point is that there a bigger barrier to take.
I also heard some nutcase making the following comparison: people get killed in car accidents so should we make all cars illegal? The point is that cars aren't meant to kill people. One problem with that comparison, guns have only one function: killing, it is designed for it and it doesn't have any other function PERIOD.

Yeah, I think it's quite crazy to see you Americans find it 'normal' to carry a gun..
I agree with tyandor guns are meant to kill, and should therefore not be 'normal'..

On the other hand, we over here in Holland find it 'normal' to carry soft drugs with us as it is legal over here, and you can buy it on every corner of the street.. But yeah, if I had to choose between soft drugs and guns, I'd choose the former

Anyway, sorry to all those who are involved..

SF

Ted Nugent's thoughts on gun control.

this amused me, probably because i agree.

and yes, it is quite normal to carry a gun in the US.

lazyboy, look... I'll lay it all out for you:

1. Crossfire is bad.

2. People powertrip.

3. The minds of most people are fragile and impulsive. The ability to act on that impulse with an extremely powerful and deadly weapon immediately when that impulse strikes? Not good.

Give everyone a gun =/= crime problem solved. All you are doing is increasing the risk FOR EVERYONE. Instead of random crazies shooting a school up once in a blue moon, you now have many "shootings" (or more likely, shoot outs) in frightening numbers and increasing frequency. MORE innocent bystanders will die, not less.

You live in a dream world where manners are everything and society gives a fuck.

Newsflash: it doesn't.


P.S. - Ted nugent is full of shit. It's a power trip, plain and simple. No doubt, if guns were easy to obtain legally, I'd own one (the risk of not owning one would be too high at that point, I'd have to carry).

And the fucker goes on to name these idiotic "events" where someone owning a gun "saved" people from "evil"

people who think in terms of good and evil are full of shit to begin with.

You know who think they are the good battling evil?

Islam fundamentalists.

EVERYONE on this planet believes they are good, and that whatever forces act against them are evil. People are just that narrow minded and short sighted.

"i gotsta have a gun" is a knee jerk reaction that will get us in even more trouble than it's worth.

So ted, STFU.

Bullshit. He was bent on killing people. He'd get the guns if they were legal or not. Gun control would have done nothing. A criminal is not going to be detered because now he is breaking seven laws, when before he was breaking five.

Well off the top of my head I can think of around four school shootings in America. I remember reading a top ten book and realising most of the top ten shooting were in America. In the UK off the top of my head I can think of one school shooting. Maybe if America is going to police the world they should sort out their own country first.

Anyway the most important thing now is the friends and families of the victims my heart goes out to them.

Uhm yeah. If I can get a gun on every street corner it would be easy to find one for me. However we have strict gun laws here and as a normal person I wouldn't know where to obtain one (illegaly ofcourse).
Was the guy really a criminal that would have know how to get a gun if you couldn't get guns anywhere legally or was it a 'normal' guy that went insane and got his tools perfectly accesible. You could also go on a rampage with another weapon but it would take a lot more guts since it's easier to just pull a trigger. The point is that there a bigger barrier to take.
I also heard some nutcase making the following comparison: people get killed in car accidents so should we make all cars illegal? The point is that cars aren't meant to kill people. One problem with that comparison, guns have only one function: killing, it is designed for it and it doesn't have any other function PERIOD.

It has been determined that he has been troubled for some time. The weapons were purchased with this in mind. The failure was the unwillingness to act against what was there.

Yeah, I think it's quite crazy to see you Americans find it 'normal' to carry a gun..
I agree with tyandor guns are meant to kill, and should therefore not be 'normal'..

On the other hand, we over here in Holland find it 'normal' to carry soft drugs with us as it is legal over here, and you can buy it on every corner of the street.. But yeah, if I had to choose between soft drugs and guns, I'd choose the former

Anyway, sorry to all those who are involved..

SF

The drugs are problem in the United States because they are so very much illegal.

lazyboy, look... I'll lay it all out for you:

1. Crossfire is bad.

2. People powertrip.

3. The minds of most people are fragile and impulsive. The ability to act on that impulse with an extremely powerful and deadly weapon immediately when that impulse strikes? Not good.

Give everyone a gun =/= crime problem solved. All you are doing is increasing the risk FOR EVERYONE. Instead of random crazies shooting a school up once in a blue moon, you now have many "shootings" (or more likely, shoot outs) in frightening numbers and increasing frequency. MORE innocent bystanders will die, not less.

You live in a dream world where manners are everything and society gives a fuck.

Most violent crimes in the United States involving guns involve illegally owned and acquired weapons. Crime in the United States has also been going down since the 1970s. The prevalence of such incidents is the growth and speed of means of communication. I also like the word "give" you decided to use. Do you get to decide who uses guns? The police are just as human. An elderly lady was killed here in Atlanta a few months back and seems more and more like there was no reason for her to be killed. There is no proof that increased prevalence of guns increases violence. Even Bowling for Columbine shows that when the stats for Canada are given (larger percentage of the population owns).

Well off the top of my head I can think of around four school shootings in America. I remember reading a top ten book and realising most of the top ten shooting were in America. In the UK off the top of my head I can think of one school shooting. Maybe if America is going to police the world they should sort out their own country first.

There are about 5 people in the US for every person in the UK.

Lazyboy, you're logic is about as solid as a house of cards.

Lazyboy, you're logic is about as solid as a house of cards.

Then refute.

Oh, here's a question. How can people not be trusted with guns, but can be trusted with voting?

Then refute.

Oh, here's a question. How can people not be trusted with guns, but can be trusted with voting?

Because you give a person a gun and they ultimately hold in their hands the lives of every person they come in contact with. Give a person a vote and....they just have a say in the upcoming pres/congress/house etc. This is also known as a democracy.

Because you give a person a gun and they ultimately hold in their hands the lives of every person they come in contact with. Give a person a vote and....they just have a say in the upcoming pres/congress/house etc. This is also known as a democracy.

A government which passes laws that will impact every person in the country and potentially those in other countries as well.

Then refute.

Oh, here's a question. How can people not be trusted with guns, but can be trusted with voting?

How can people be trusted to drive automobiles, but not to smoke marijuana?

What's that? Apples and oranges?

Oh.

Evel Knievel could not have made that jump.

Then refute.

Oh, here's a question. How can people not be trusted with guns, but can be trusted with voting?

Because a vote only kills people when the Republicans win. True Story.

How can people be trusted to drive automobiles, but not to smoke marijuana?

What's that? Apples and oranges?

Oh.

People should be allowed to smoke all the marijuana they want. Guns are a means of force and government operates entirely on force.

Because a vote only kills people when the Republicans win. True Story.

And they win too. Things get muddled without absolute control. It amazes me how much people can hate a certain party or politician and still want more government programs. It never seems to click that the hated party or politicians could be placed in charge of those programs. People think the Republicans screwed up now, imagine if they had even more to screw up.

Heres some stats:

In a single year, 3,012 children and teens were killed by gunfire in the United States, according to the latest national data. That is one child every three hours; eight children every day; and more than 50 children every week. And every year, at least 4 to 5 times as many kids and teens suffer from non-fatal firearm injuries. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)

The rate of firearm deaths among kids under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)

American kids are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun, 11 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and nine times more likely to die from a firearm accident than children in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control)


Lazyboy, i agree making firearms illegal would not entirely stop gun related crimes, but dont you agree it would certainly reduce the stats?

I'm no gun advocate myself, but just want to remind people that when you quote statistics, make sure you do a per capita analysis. If the US has five times as many gun crimes as the UK, but also has five times the population, that puts both countries in the same position, ya know?

Anyway, my argument toward stricter gun control is not that it will create a happy world devoid of any violence, but that it would significantly reduce violence.

Yes, you'd still have gangsters busting out slugs... but things like school shootings can very, very likely be avoided.



I mean, true, people kill people. But guns empower people to feel more likely to kill other people, because it's so easy. After all, if Cho had come in swinging a samurai sword, I'm pretty sure the death count would have been a lot lower.

Hi. My name is lazyboy. I get jokes.

hey petrov, don't blame the country if some parents are too fucking stupid to hide their guns well enough from their kids.

hey petrov, don't blame the country if some parents are too fucking stupid to hide their guns well enough from their kids.

i agree that parents are responsible for their children, but why do the parents need guns in the first place? Also in this case it wasnt the parents guns, so surely its impossible to place the blame on them?

No countries perfect, the UK are currently suffering with knife crimes and unfortunately its a weapon much harder to ban. How do you cut meat with a plastic knife? lol