Ask the Experts / RCT2 Sprite Limit Calculations

256x256

then you made one mistake already: 256X256 is way too large. But on the technical side you should have around 130000 object to your disposal. But since you only have around 70000 objects I think you have a very specific problem if you calculate precisely you'll see that 256X256 is around 65000. That's your landscape data (the size of that depends on your selected mapsize) double that and extract it from the total 196608 and you'll get your remaining value. In other words your landscape data has been stored twice!
Are you lost now(if you forget about the other negatives of a 256X256 map that is) aside? No you aren't.
8-cars has a function to fix it and pray that it workes.
-open up 8-cars
-go to debug
-choose 'eliminate duplicate surface data'
-might want to sort it too
-no recount and check if it worked

Yeah it works thanks tyandor

I've choosen for 256x256 because i use al lot of one tile objects around the planets.
I hope i can finish the park without the object limit

I reached several limits in GLoP, a 128x128 park. Of course I always work highly detailed but that was an indication for me not to go much bigger than that size. Next to the fact that I like it because it reminds me of the good old RCT1 megapark....LOL

Mama Bear

Its probably worth mentioning. I seem to remember there is also a ride limit? 256 rides rings a bell. I hit some limit while building Snow Drop. Although this is less of a problem in RCT2 but LL relies on much more trackitechture

^ That sounds about right. I remember I hit that and the banner limit once upon a time in LL.

Also, anyone thinking of starting a 256x256 park should be directed to this topic.

my favorite map size is 100x100-180x180, no more or less than that.

hey jaguar, stop digging stuff up just to post something irrelivant please.

^ Its pinned so I don't think it matters sssammy..

I hit the banner limit in my LL park, and it's really not a big park.

^I did it on Superior, lol.
-JDP

they do, as do paths, rides/shops, small objects, large objects. The only exception are path items like benches and lamps. I don't know if there's a limit for those (probably, but large enough I guess) Also the basic information like the park name, entrance etc takes a few sprites, but it not that notable.

Every landtile takes one sprite so that means a larger map has a lower limit, but it also means that you have more surface to place less objects upon. If you plot this in graph then you'll see an huge drop in the limit if you take a larger map.
Anyway, I need to make a side note here. When I made this calculation I assumed that every object took exactly 1 sprite. I however don't know if this is exactly true or that it also depends if you can color the object and ground map. I know however that the 2X2 martian object takes 3 sprites.

Although my calculation might not be completely correct, I still think it's quite accurate.
200X200 is quite safe for most builders (even high detail is possible) and it should be kept as a guideline since it also takes a lot of time completing such a map.

The park name takes sprites?

I can honestly not understand WHY you are asking this and HOW you could even think that?

^ Tyandor said that the park name takes some sprites!

the parkname doesn't take sprites entrance does

they do, as do paths, rides/shops, small objects, large objects. The only exception are path items like benches and lamps. I don't know if there's a limit for those (probably, but large enough I guess) Also the basic information like the park name, entrance etc takes a few sprites, but it not that notable.

Every landtile takes one sprite so that means a larger map has a lower limit, but it also means that you have more surface to place less objects upon. If you plot this in graph then you'll see an huge drop in the limit if you take a larger map.
Anyway, I need to make a side note here. When I made this calculation I assumed that every object took exactly 1 sprite. I however don't know if this is exactly true or that it also depends if you can color the object and ground map. I know however that the 2X2 martian object takes 3 sprites.

Although my calculation might not be completely correct, I still think it's quite accurate.
200X200 is quite safe for most builders (even high detail is possible) and it should be kept as a guideline since it also takes a lot of time completing such a map.

Look at the bold.

Levis, keep parkmaking, but let tyandor be right. You have your own niche at NE, Levis, which is Parkmaker.

Edited by GigaG, 28 March 2010 - 03:53 PM.

I'm not even gonna bother.

Look at the bold.

Levis, keep parkmaking, but let tyandor be right. You have your own niche at NE, Levis, which is Parkmaker.

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Edited by Cena, 28 March 2010 - 05:36 PM.

Look at the bold.

Levis, keep parkmaking, but let tyandor be right. You have your own niche at NE, Levis, which is Parkmaker.

you should google for "rct tid". that might open up your eyes.

The scenario name is stored in the map data which is after the sprites. so it can't be a sprite. the entrance it self uses 3 slots of map data for every piece on the map it uses 1. besides that it also uses a scrolling text which is stored as a banner. I believe the banners are stored seperatly from the sprites so thats why ty probally confused them.

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