Park / Sierra Mine Carts

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  Jaguar Offline

  Yeah, I'm sick of seeing great designs that are treated like crap. If I will make a design I'd rather send it in as a spotlight because the chances are better.

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  SSSammy Offline

  noooooooooooooooo no no no no
  you dont make stuff to win stuff
  if it deserves an accolade, it will get one.
  if it doesnt, cry about it for abit,
  and realise that playing to achieve accolades is harmful to your abilities in the long term, sure, its an insentive, but its not what the game is about.

  posted 15 years ago

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  J K Offline

  Everyone wants an accolade so we build to try and get them, its not an obsessive goal but a bar that people want to reach or "check" off their list. Whether its to give it that extra polish at the end of a project or to be competitive, everyone builds for that end goal. Its just such a good incentive to keep working.
  
  Jag and sam are both right as no one is wrong, its just what drives more people to build and succeed. I agree Jag's attitude isn't the best of sending something to somewhere else to receive a better accolade but that has its drawbacks for that option as well. If it was just a good design it wouldn't even qualify for Bronze as there wasn't enough of it so you'd kinda shoot yourself in the font there. Plus it could be seen as a lower tier of Bronze work which isn't the best.
  
  Think about things, its more how good your work is than the name it holds. I have a spotlight but I'm not 100% happy with it because I know it could be executed much better. Thats why I want to build another one to better my work. Its funny how I'm not happy with a spotlight as such, thats when you know you don't build for accolades but you build for your personal standards and a way to better yourself.
  
  Holy Cow Wanda Sue, reel me in I'm pretty deep!!!!

  posted 15 years ago

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  Mike Robbins Offline

  mike, your a legend, don't sweat it bro, those who see the caliber know an just because it did not receive an accolade from a panel takes nothing away from the DESIGN it self, great work.

  
  Thanks... I appreciate that.
  
  And I know that 2 was dropped from the score, but it's the principal of it all. A 2 goes toward a completely noob park which this is not and I honestly feel his score was based on who made it, not the work itself since he's been critical of me and my past connections prior to this.

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  Mike Robbins Offline

  ^ Not to mention I was going away from the typical design winners of past, B&M's and woodies. They are always the same..... interlocking corkscrews, all the same elements, all the same designs, hacked to death..... When was the last time a mine coaster was seen anywhere? I was going for a different design and thought it would get better results. Maybe I should just build typical beemers for now on and be sure to include interlocking corkscrews, overuse of custom supports, and marginal or incomplete theming.

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  SSSammy Offline

  i didnt know what oppinions on parks could be incorrect and punishable.
  one panelist gave a park 20 that 14 other panelists awarded zero.

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  J K Offline

  Maybe I should just build typical Beemer’s for now on and be sure to include interlocking corkscrews, overuse of custom supports, and marginal or incomplete theming.

  
  Mmm you see there’s something sour about your words. I liked this entry don't get me wrong but just because you didn't make the grade you shouldn't curse all other people who did. A 2 is pretty disrespectful, agreed but Steve got fucked in the pro tour and he took it on the chin and got on with it. Beemer or no Beemer they had something that got them the accolade. Yours had something but that something wasn't design worthy.
  
  I don't get it. When Cork told me my first design submission didn't get it I just worked even harder to get my first design. And yes that first design was a Beemer.

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  Jaguar Offline

  Considering the accolade pannelists my raft ride prabably won't get a design accolade, I really wanted to see something new though. I my self am sick of beemers and personnaly find them boring in real life. They are butter smooth and loaded with trim brakes. The only beemer I truley like is the Iron Wolf, because it is kinda rough and wild and isn't called a rusty death trap for nothing like real coasters should feel. I think all B&Ms real or rct are overrated and that also includes Giovanola. I don't hate beemers, infact I find them to be very enjoyable and "rideable" attractions, but I would prefer to go on a smaller woodie than a B&M hyper because I find B&Ms kind of boring. I really don't find a difference between what is and isn't accolade worthy. Many parks with less quality than this used to get an accolade. I guess that when custom scenery was starting to get used, it was harder to get an accolade. I am also upset that this and so many other great rides don't get an accolade. It would be nice if the parks could still be anonymous, becuase I hate hypercritical people and someone who takes advantage of being an accolade panelist.

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  jusmith Offline

  ^That was the longest rant about nothing I have ever read. Your raft ride "probably won't get design" not becasue it is different, but because it "probably" won't be good enough. Deal.
  
  Sorry Mike Robbins, I really liked your design, but some of the main components, although very oldschool style, which can be aprreciated, looked a little underskilled. Even though you personally are not underskilled, the style let you down here I'd say.

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  Lowenaldo Offline

  jagkid i always get a kick out of reading your posts.
  
  i thought the whole idea behind the design was almost like a centerpiece for a park, their main attraction of sorts?

  Edited by Lowenaldo, 17 October 2009 - 10:28 PM.

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  SSSammy Offline

  It would be nice if the parks could still be anonymous, becuase I hate hypercritical people and someone who takes advantage of being an accolade panelist.

  
  get out you silly little boy.

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  Jaguar Offline

  jagkid i always get a kick out of reading your posts.
  
  i thought the whole idea behind the design was almost like a centerpiece for a park, their main attraction of sorts?

  
  Yeah, so if you have a good layout but nothing else, It'll win design. Those beemers aren't that good though. They have very similar layouts and all look kinda unfinished. Maybe a few years ago, it was about the centerpiece of the park, but now it is if the accolade panelists (which aren't very accurate) decide who wants the design and I have seen many 12.50's and I really hate to see that.

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  Jaguar Offline

  get out you silly little boy.

  
  Well, whoever voted that 2 prabably didn't do it for the design, but because of the creator.

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  SSSammy Offline

  Yeah, so if you have a good layout but nothing else, It'll win design. Those beemers aren't that good though. They have very similar layouts and all look kinda unfinished. Maybe a few years ago, it was about the centerpiece of the park, but now it is if the accolade panelists (which aren't very accurate) decide who wants the design and I have seen many 12.50's and I really hate to see that.

  
  will you shut up you stupid child!

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  Jaguar Offline

  will you shut up you stupid child!

  
  Was I talking too you just now? Or are you just finding ways to tell me to shut up...

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  SSSammy Offline

  you were telling lies or being an idiot.
  either way, im entitled to tell you to shut up.

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  Jaguar Offline

  you were telling lies or being an idiot.
  either way, im entitled to tell you to shut up.

  
  How am I lying or being an idiot. It is true that most designs are beemers with very similar layouts, and the previous designs do look kind of unfinished such as the hidden pond, and why else would someone give this design a 2. Can you point out the lies or ignorance in this post? Can you stop trying to prove me wrong and get on with it for once?

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  SSSammy Offline

  are you insinutating that we only give designs to beemers built by people we like that are unfinished?
  
  find me five designs that fit that discription.
  
  otherwise, shut up.

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  Jaguar Offline

  Hammer Head, The Hidden Pond, Chimei, Migou, Charybdis

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  Evil WME Offline

  I'm sorry that this hit you so hard.
  
  I base my scores on my own enjoyment of the design. I thought the landscaping was quite unnatural, I disliked the use of the edges, I did not like the coloring of the trees. (I think it can be pulled off, but this wasn't it.) The architecture was very basic, dull and uninspiring to me. The ride itself did not make any positive impression on me, either.
  
  The 2 is based on how much I liked the design.
  As you know, it was anonymous when it was sent in so no reason to take it personal.
  
  I just wanted to reveal myself, since I was named in the topic, and I have no problem backing up my opinion. I just looked again and my thoughts on it have remained the same.

  posted 15 years ago

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