Park / Inselfieber

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  • AvanineCommuter%s's Photo
    NCSO is a limit on the palette you work with, but that in no way means that there should be a limit on the quality of the work. There are shitty NCSO parks and there are brilliant NCSO parks. Why does the scale with which we judge these parks have to be narrower? What kind of logic is this?

    So what you're basically admitting here is that you have a bias against the park because of the trend that it follows rather than the actual content of the park. Whatever, "it's your opinion" as everyone would say, but in mine, your justification is puerile and weak. You say it's "fine by me", but it obviously isn't because you are not even bothering to look at NCSO as anything but a "thing", a "trend" that you dislike because of the context in which it came about. I don't care that someone voted a 95 and you want to vote a 40. In the end it evens out, and that's why the voting system works. However, your suggestion that there should be a limit of 80 on NCSO parks is absolutely ridiculous (this is honestly one of the stupidest ideas I've heard in a while on this forum), so I hope you were just joking…



    As a side note, did Jonny write the review to his own park? :lol:
  • inthemanual%s's Photo
    He didn't say there should be a limit of 80 on NCSO, he said this park didn't deserve more than an 80 even considering the difficulty that comes with building with NCSO. He was saying that ignoring that it's built with NCSO, he'd have only thought it deserved a 40. It's not nearly as controversial as you're making it out to be.
  • ][ntamin22%s's Photo

    i think giving this anything higher than an 80 (for NCSO) is almost a mockery of the system.


    Well, I mean

    The system doesn't rigidly include any consideration of the current meta-style, or even what game you used. The voting scale is literally just "I liked some/most/all of this," and Louis clearly liked all of it. It is hard to make a mockery of a system that subjective.
  • MCI%s's Photo

    As a side note, did Jonny write the review to his own park? :lol:/>/>


    SuicideCarz wrote it and I think he would like to see his name under his writeup as well :D/>

    Thanks to all the reply´s guys! The positive and the negative ones.
    I just want to point out, that the map was started two and a half years ago.
    That has infact nothing at all to do with the ncso-trend going on right now/the last few weeks.

    Mit umwerfend freundlichen Grüßen
    MCI
  • Greatcoaster%s's Photo
    As I said it on rct2Germany, this is the best park I ever see on NCSO-level and I follow it from the very first screens of Jonny on rct2germany, so I only can agree with almost each point of Louis! statement and I had to say that you had to compare the parks 'Inselfieber' and 'Snake Valley Family Amusement Park' when you say that this isn't at least Gold.
    I dont want to make the work of cws down and I think that this park deserves bronze, but then you have to give 'Inselfieber' a golden accolade.
  • csw%s's Photo
    I do agree with you...but remember, my park was only 50%, barely enough for bronze. This was nearly 20% better, which I think is about accurate.
  • Sephiroth%s's Photo
    I liked the park quite a bit, especially the open grass areas. They really gave the viewer room to breathe in my opinion.
  • RMM%s's Photo
    ^ why'd you delete that novel of a post you had? i liked it.
  • Sephiroth%s's Photo
    ^Because I thought it wasn't that refined and sounded whiny. I believe that the debate would do better in its own separate topic, and that it would also need to be carefully written and thought out to not be taken as "teh acc0lade panel aREs st00pid and unfaIR!!11!1" Nothing makes a person (or group of people) more defensive than when you start to question their beliefs. And when someone is in defensive mode their brain begins to throw away reason since it thinks it's in a survival situation (gah this sentence isn't turning out quite right, but basically I'm saying "being defensive" is a more primitive state of mind who's purpose is to ensure survival at all coats; regardless of reason, empathy, fairness, etc.)
  • RMM%s's Photo

    ^Because I thought it wasn't that refined and sounded whiny. I believe that the debate would do better in its own separate topic, and that it would also need to be carefully written and thought out to not be taken as "teh acc0lade panel aREs st00pid and unfaIR!!11!1" Nothing makes a person (or group of people) more defensive than when you start to question their beliefs. And when someone is in defensive mode their brain begins to throw away reason since it thinks it's in a survival situation (gah this sentence isn't turning out quite right, but basically I'm saying "being defensive" is a more primitive state of mind who's purpose is to ensure survival at all coats; regardless of reason, empathy, fairness, etc.)


    nah, it worked. most of my rants here aren't well put together but i get my point across. that's all that matters. and there's been separate topics for the debate, you'll find my novels on there; i usually win all of the debates so most people just ignore me.
  • posix%s's Photo
    Well done Sephiroth.
  • csw%s's Photo
    You deleted a post because it wasn't quality? Congratulations, you have won the internet
  • AvanineCommuter%s's Photo
    I'm not going to make it long because I don't think anyone is interested in hearing anymore about this dead topic.

    Going by your logic, shouldn't LL parks be hit with a score ceiling because it isn't as "advanced" a medium as RCT2 with CSOs? Just wanted to reiterate the point that the medium should not dictate the score, rather what is DONE with the medium should be considered.

    In the art world, no one gives a shit if you used your ass to paint the painting; if it's well done, it's well done. And the fact that you used your ass to do it makes it all the more impressive. That's all.
  • RMM%s's Photo

    Going by your logic, shouldn't LL parks be hit with a score ceiling because it isn't as "advanced" a medium as RCT2 with CSOs?



    no, LL and RCT2 are two different games. in LL, we use trainers and codex to maximize the potential. in RCT2, we use custom scenery to maximize the potential. well, we used to use custom scenery.

    again, i'm not suggesting people stop having fun building NCSO parks. i'm just stating the ridiculousness that is ranking this park up there with the best of CS parks. it's a very good creation, for NCSO.
  • AvanineCommuter%s's Photo

    no, LL and RCT2 are two different games. in LL, we use trainers and codex to maximize the potential. in RCT2, we use custom scenery to maximize the potential. well, we used to use custom scenery.


    Then LL parks that use little to no codex/trainers should hit a rating limit similar to your proposed NCSO rating limit, right? Why should the amount of hacking play a part in the rating if the park is well designed?

    It seems like custom scenery is a necessity for you to consider a park as top tier, despite how perfect everything else is: landscaping, composition, coaster layouts, originality, innovation of object usage, theme and execution, interaction, atmosphere, textures, immersiveness, storytelling, trackitecture, cohesion, and general design.... because in the end, it's still an NCSO park, no matter how good everything else was...

    I guess where we differ is that you see NCSO as a limiting factor for quality while I see quality in design regardless of what scenery pieces are being utilized/not utilized. I hope I'm not too far off base here.
  • RMM%s's Photo
    once again, where did i ever propose a "NCSO rating limit"?



    it's simple really, a high end CS park is aesthetically superior to a high end NCSO park. in rct2, CS is like makeup. it's not needed, but don't think you won't notice when there isn't any. underneath the makeup lies beautifully 'constructed' facial features but that face won't win the beauty pageant. don't kid yourself.


    apply that to LL so i don't have to.
  • 5dave%s's Photo
    This should have been over 70%!
    While the park layout itself was confusing, each area had its own identity and landmarks... The buildings and bridges were unique, as well as the rides. The coasters were on the faster sides and the naming of some of the rides weren't that good (breakdance, auto scooter,...generic)
    Also agree that some areas weren't as immersive as others (as many stated the Santa Monica pier vs. the spanish area for example)
    Really loved all the ideas in the park. Did you get those somewhere? Because some of the concepts (harbours over the world kinda) were discussed back in the RCT Majesty days...

    "MFG"
  • Jonny93%s's Photo
    Thanks Dave for your comment!
    I was inspired by a lot of older parks and design. For example Cannonball from Posix was my inspiration for the huge cannon. The harbor concept was my own idea. When i took the park over from MCI i questioned myself for a kind of concept i should go. Parts of the "Speicherstadt" in the entrance area were build by MCI and i thought why not to continue with this harbor/beach concept ans to build a huge volcano in the center of the island.
  • Arjan v l%s's Photo
    Better late then never....

    Lol... i'm still enjoying that make-up comment RMM... and you're right.
    Because rct2 is a more advanced game then rct1, it'll always be aesthetically better.
    We can discuss long or short about it, but it doesn't change anything.

    About the park... It didn't really draw my attention.
    A lot of the park shows great skills and creativity though.
    Some of the trackitecture (bridges) are well pulled of.
    The wooden coaster is also quite impressive, nice job!

    I do think it's what RMM and Avanine were discussing about though.
    I also have a hard time voting on ncso parks, since i always think that it's missed potential not to use custom scenery.

    But hey... that's just my opinion about it.

    I'm still looking forward to Spessart park though, since the screens i've seen from that are wonderful.

    Congrats on the silver.
  • RMM%s's Photo

    Better late then never....

    Lol... i'm still enjoying that make-up comment RMM... and you're right.
    Because rct2 is a more advanced game then rct1, it'll always be aesthetically better.



    1. thanks.

    2. whoooooaaaa, i never said rct2 was aesthetically better than LL. they are 2 different games.