Park / Banana Valley

  • 30-July 05
Park_2545 Banana Valley

33 Comments

  • JBruckner%s's Photo
    United States JBruckner Offline

    Honestly, there's only so much you could do with landscaping styles.
    It's almost too hard not to emulate another style that's already been "established", so to speak.

    well, yes, of course. don't blame the game limitations for lack of creativity though. if you do that no one will strive to come up with something new. i just don't like seeing the SAME EXACT thing i would see in a mala park.
    posted 19 years ago
  • Steve%s's Photo
    United States Steve Offline
    I wasn't really blaming the game, since it's mostly our faults for not thinking of anything else. I know there's other ways to make decent landscaping. There has to be. And after I made my previous post I realized that land textures are a large deciding factor. For example, I could make really spikey mountains with red sand in RCT2 and people wouldn't instantly think Escalante River Falls. Well, atleast people who know about it. I don't know. I haven't even looked at this park but judging by the pictures it does, in fact, look like Mala helped ride6 with the park.

    anyways.
    posted 19 years ago
  • Ride6%s's Photo
    United States Ride6 Offline
    Really now you act like it's a bad thing that I created a landscape that looks like it could've been by Mala. I don't see how that's bad. Everything else though I guess was random and pointless. Then again I didn't build the park for critics like you, I built it to enjoy building it. I just chose to release it in hopes that it would inspire others to enjoy the game some more too.

    Oh and at least I'm not cloning RoB like just about everyone else.

    ride6
    posted 19 years ago
  • JBruckner%s's Photo
    United States JBruckner Offline
    it's not bad, just not creative.
    don't tell me that i only enjoy parks that are built to look good, because i don't.
    just look at a lot of my comments in ad-dis.

    p.s. nothign is random and pointless.
    posted 19 years ago
  • Scorchio%s's Photo
    Australia Scorchio Offline

    Honestly, there's only so much you could do with landscaping styles.
    It's almost too hard not to emulate another style that's already been "established", so to speak.

    I think it's like that with other things, aswell as landscape style. There's only so much you can create that's individual.
    posted 19 years ago
  • Ride6%s's Photo
    United States Ride6 Offline
    Thanks for the support Scorchio, however I must admit Bruckner' is right here.

    Particularly in that part where he said nothing is random and pointless, it means he might like what I'm up to now as it's something I'm taking my time "perfecting" rather than tossing together. And it's um, different. GET ON AIM JBRUCKNER, I HAVE SOMETHING TO SHOW YOU.

    And a chat would be nice too. :)

    ride6
    posted 19 years ago
  • JBruckner%s's Photo
    United States JBruckner Offline
    i am always on aim, but i leave tomorrow for two weeks. :(
    joe.bruckner@gmail.com
    posted 19 years ago
  • Turtle%s's Photo
    United States Turtle Offline
    It's threads like this that make me lose heart with the game.

    If people would stop banging on about others copying and just enjoy each individual park on it's own merits, more people would finish parks.
    posted 19 years ago
  • artist%s's Photo
    Australia artist Offline

    If people would stop banging on about others copying and just enjoy each individual park on it's own merits, more people would finish parks.

    exactly, the way people go on about "copying" on this site is ridiculas. Everyone copies from other people at some time if they didn't i doubt half the parkmakers these days would even be good at the game. Copying and taking inspiration from other parks helps you develope your own style. I mean look at RoB you have had people take and copy the style of that park so many times and look what we have now, slob, john, steve, turtle and so many more that now are amazing parkmakers. I seriously thinks it helps you develope your own style i mean atm ride6 has a style and it being similar to mala's shouldn't be a problem. You always get these kind of critics and i suppose it pisses me off alot too like Jem said, it really does make you lose heart for the game. Plus half the people that go on about this shit do fuck all themselfs and when they do create something in rct i always seem to find inspiration and similarities in there work.

    Ride6 i love your rct work it's amazing. Listen to what other people say and if you agree then thats great but please dont change your style because people go on about this copying shit, build for your enjoyment. If you have fun with it, it shouldn't matter what other people think of it.
    posted 19 years ago
  • Ride6%s's Photo
    United States Ride6 Offline
    ^You love it!? Wow, didn't see that coming. Thanks.

    Really the only things that I do "Mala-ish" is the fact that my coasters are fast and my landscapes are overgrown. The reason they're that way is because I enjoy building that way and I like the way the finished product meshes.

    Oh, and Artist, the part I was agreeing on was that there is no such thing as random and that jumbled messes and detailed wonders are often not so far apart if they're really different at all.

    ride6
    posted 19 years ago
  • postit%s's Photo
    Germany postit Offline
    Yes, I've been meaning to pitch in on the copying conversation, however the other thread was a bit intimidating. B)

    Learning the technical skills of RCT is like music. When you learn a new instrument, especially for beginners, pretty much the only way to improve your skills are by playing other people's songs. ( I'm going to use the bass guitar as my on-going example. ) The same thing goes for RCT. If you decided you wanted to start parkmaking, having never seen "parkmaking", so to speak, you'd be hopeless, and create something like the scenarios. Or in the music world, something that would make no musical sense and sound terrible. That is why you need to learn the technical skills in both. For example: basic architecture and coaster design, and basic ways to play the bass (slap, pick, finger) and fret positions are vital to even get started. Once you've got the most basic technical skills, you can begin parkmaking or playing, though you won't be able to get much accomplished in either, aside from something of low quality or low difficulty in either. Then, you could move on to more advanced technical skills, such as landcaping and foliaging, or music theory, and refinement of what you've already done. And then, comes copying. In music, playing along to some artist's song is very fun, and helps you improve in numerous aspects. In RCT2, copying a building or something is also fun, as it will most likely be appealing, and will help you improve in other aspects as well. Like in both industries, (lol) copying is not acceptable at all. You cannot steal a famous riff, and claim it to be your own, (Bittersweet Symphony?) just like you cannot copy anything in RCT. The copying stage should be more of the practice stage, so to speak. Finally, when you create your own song/park, that's nice and dandy. Of course, you could build/write in whatever style you want and semi-minimalism style is I guess similar to writing a predictable, formulaic pop-punk song. Yes, these songs are very similar to others in their genre, just like semi-minimalism style has some parks that share some very similar ideas.

    Nothing you can create is entirely original, yet, if it is something you created, it's original enough. Although I would like to see more of a variety of styles in parkmaking, it really shouldn't be a shock to the community that parks are very similar to others. As for my opinion in the other topic, I believe RCTFAN has enough technical skills and creativity to create something in a new genre, so to speak, or something original enough that could fit into his style.
    posted 19 years ago
  • Coaster Ed%s's Photo
    United States Coaster Ed Offline
    That's another good analogy postit. That's along the same lines of what I was thinking when I spoke about copying as a way to hone your skills. It isn't something you release and call your own work, it's something you do for yourself to get better at it. And then when you've got a handle on the technical skills, you can really set your creativity loose.

    There's a rather humorous quote on Google today that relates:

    Skill without imagination is craftsmanship and gives us many useful objects such as wickerwork picnic baskets. Imagination without skill gives us modern art.
    - Tom Stoppard
    posted 19 years ago
  • Titan%s's Photo
    United States Titan Offline
    ^ Yeah, I never quite like modern art...

    LOL. I think I've already talked to you on AIM r6...
    posted 19 years ago
  • Evil WME%s's Photo
    Netherlands Evil WME Offline
    Better late than never..


    i loved the park, ride6. When i opened up it really had this sort of canyon thing going for it, and i loved the landscaping. Really, i think the only thing holding you back from being an upper echelon parkmaker as iris would call it is some unorthodox stuff floating around. Not everything is up to par. The coasters have awesome parts going along side some really strange ones. I'd personally recommend taking a little more time on your parks, and criticizing it all a bit more. Still, at first glance it was great. The second look ripped some of it to pieces, still a great park though.
    posted 19 years ago